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[diegokilla]

I just wanted to say thanks for all the pictures lately! It's really nice to see what you are working on, and what that work looks like

[Rafal99]

Are the animals in the villages/pastures owned by particular people or are they considered a part of the village entity - who gets angered when livestock is killed by an adventurer?

My bet is that whole civilization gets angered. As with every other crime in adventure mode.

[hermes]

Townspeople in current and past versions of Adventure Mode already use roads and little dirt paths to travel around town.  I'm guessing that the same code will be used for the new towns, although not sure what the implementation is.  I doubt it's pathfinding weight.  Maybe it does A* on the abstracted road map -- that's been proposed for Fort Mode, but the big problem there is figuring out which abstract nodes your start/end points are closest to.  Adv Mode towns probably have a relatively small number of destinations that can easily be grouped by the nearest road intersection/terminus.

Thanks, Footkerchief.

What do you mean about "all terrain in general"?

I was thinking along the lines of Shinotsa's post...

Hmm, perhaps rougher terrain should slow down people walking on it? Then it would actually be more efficient for dwarves to travel on a nice road or a smoothed floor rather than have to wade through chin high grass or struggle over rocks and divets to get places. Is there any system like this already in place? Would a system like this affect adventure mode NPCs, or do they pathfind different from dwarves or does the same pathfinding weight argument above nullify it for them?

eg. rocky/forested tiles have high travel cost, paved roads super low cost and all shades of grey in between.  This should lead to all entities using the roads naturally, but I expect the processor cost would be quite high, especially for long-distance path-finding, so the system you described that's already in place sounds good.

[EnigmaticHat]

Hey, look, houses have furniture now.  Anyone know what that symbol that looks like pi means (it means goblin tower on the world map).  Also, the people of that town seem to have designated large areas of their houses as "table rooms" that do absolutely nothing but contain tables.  Are the table rooms intended behavior?

Also, Shinotsa, I just want to point out that real life roads don't magically make people faster.  They're more effective because they are kept at an even elevation, make it harder to get lost, are clear of obstacles, prevent plants from growing, and don't turn to mud in rain.  Most of these things are already represented in game or could be without too much difficulty.  Making people walk faster on roads for no reason is an abstraction DF doesn't really need.

[PTTG??]

It is definitely easier to walk on roads, though. I'd say that compared to thick grass or uneven forest-floor terrain, there is a noticeable increase in speed.

[Putnam]

Hey, look, houses have furniture now.  Anyone know what that symbol that looks like pi means (it means goblin tower on the world map).  Also, the people of that town seem to have designated large areas of their houses as "table rooms" that do absolutely nothing but contain tables.  Are the table rooms intended behavior?

Also, Shinotsa, I just want to point out that real life roads don't magically make people faster.  They're more effective because they are kept at an even elevation, make it harder to get lost, are clear of obstacles, prevent plants from growing, and don't turn to mud in rain.  Most of these things are already represented in game or could be without too much difficulty.  Making people walk faster on roads for no reason is an abstraction DF doesn't really need.

The pi symbol represents cabinets.

Also, I agree with that second paragraph. An abstraction that the game does need is getting lost, which we're already starting with.

[EmeraldWind]

Hey, look, houses have furniture now.  Anyone know what that symbol that looks like pi means (it means goblin tower on the world map).  Also, the people of that town seem to have designated large areas of their houses as "table rooms" that do absolutely nothing but contain tables.  Are the table rooms intended behavior?

Yes. I would assume these are the storage buildings (warehouses) that Toady has mentioned before. It seems goods that aren't placed in houses and shops end up in storage.

What I'm working on now is dividing up all of the objects that were produced at the town (that weren't placed in houses) among the shops. It selects the type of shop based on the overall town specialization information that is built up during world gen. This leaves some excess foreign items that would normally be associated to caravans/etc./etc. Those will be placed in general shops and warehouses for the time being (and the market when I get to that in a bit). The same should happen with extra food.

Toady One Found my first tower-cap bed in a human's bedroom. It had an image of the foundation of a dwarven mountain hall in giant toad bone. An iron scourge made by the goblins made it to the back of the warehouse as well -- it commemorated a skinless demon becoming the law-giver of the goblin civilization. I also put in some extra precautions and tweaks so that dwarves form markets properly and are more survivable in world gen. Kobolds as well.

[Sphalerite]

From the dev log:

"... stopped pigs from thinking that they are selling things at the market ..."

I see that the new version has not failed to bring forth its share of hilarious bugs.

[Murphy]

Not really a question for Toady, but I hope that Dwarven farming gets some revisions soon, because it's super strange seeing these authentically gigantic fields and pastures around NPC settlements and then founding a fort and being able to feed all 200 of your dwarves on a few 5x5 plots.

I came to post here for the first time in ages to say just this. I love the scale of the new fields for the farms in these recent maps. It would be cool if we needed a similar scale in our fields to feed the dwarfs in fortress mode. Space limitations for small embark sites wouldn't be a problem, as there are so many z-levels to work with.

The timescale will probably be a bigger problem than space limitations.  There's not enough time in the year for Fortress Mode farmers to walk around such a big field.

It's good, because we will then need more dwarves dedicated to farming. Which is realistic.

[EmeraldWind]

There are some pigs and turkeys among the market stalls... I'm not sure why yet!

... stopped pigs from thinking that they are selling things at the market...

So when he said "among the stalls" he meant selling at the stalls, not just wondering around the stalls.

LMAO! 

[monk12]

There are some pigs and turkeys among the market stalls... I'm not sure why yet!

... stopped pigs from thinking that they are selling things at the market...

So when he said "among the stalls" he meant selling at the stalls, not just wondering around the stalls.

LMAO! 

Another mystery solved by the great Toady One!

[Cruxador]

"Excuse me, I need to buy prepared badger intestine, prepared mosquito brain, and elephant tripe."
"OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK"

[PTTG??]

"And some bacon"
"SQUEEEEEEE"

[Cruxador]

Now that we have both trolls and bridges represented pretty well, will there be trolls under some of the bridges? Maybe not in this update, but will traditional fairytale notions like that get a nod eventually?

[peskyninja]

What's the average population of a city? Each new family that settles in one determined city will build a house or we will end with filthy childrens living in the sewers?