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[Neonivek]

the accuse button will send a dwarf straight to the punishment phase.

I can't imagine how abuse prone this is going to be.

A mandate eh? Murderer!

I don't know. Falsely accusing people is bound to get a few penelties.

Namely unhappy thoughts.

[scriver]

So, by "last thing", do you think T means last thing to do with missing dwarf/law features, or last addition before clean ul/getting ready for release?

[G-Flex]

Without trials etc., which we aren't going to spend time on (and it's hard to get lots of specific dwarves in the same spot at the same time, so I'm not sure we'll ever get to that in any proper way in a fortress), the accuse button will send a dwarf straight to the punishment phase.

To be truthful, I found this a little disheartening. Considering the game's far-reaching long-term goals, I'd think that a framework allowing for dwarves to organize events/get together would be necessary, much less something that won't likely ever happen.

[Neonivek]

People hate it when Dwarves Party. I think people would go crazy if we had full length trials.

Mind you I mean this as more of a "take that" to people who dislike Dwarves having a social life.

[G-Flex]

Well, I think the problem with parties is that they just aren't intelligent; dwarves don't know when not to have them, or when to stop them.

Really though, I'd think that organized social events are a pretty fundamental necessity to the game, eventually.

[Dwarfu]

...the accuse button will send a dwarf straight to the punishment phase.

Does this mean that the player must take action, or will the sheriff eventually mete out justice on his own (like now) based on the information available to him at the time (say, after a week or so)?

[billybobfred]

the accuse button will send a dwarf straight to the punishment phase

I hope this works even on "innocent" dwarves!

There is always one idiot who gets in the way and needs to be locked up, but hasn't committed any real crimes.

(also, it lets us be complete dicks, which is always a bonus)

[Mel_Vixen]

Actually i dont think "trials" with a ton of dwarfs need to be done. Just send the inquisitor and the hammerer after the Criminal was seized by the fortress guard. A modern justice system is nice and dandy (althought still prone to abuse in most variants) but wasnt that common. On the other hand the actuall punishment was often a big party - i mean beer, snacks and bodyparts flying off? Its like the superbowl!

[Toady One]

Without trials etc., which we aren't going to spend time on (and it's hard to get lots of specific dwarves in the same spot at the same time, so I'm not sure we'll ever get to that in any proper way in a fortress), the accuse button will send a dwarf straight to the punishment phase.

To be truthful, I found this a little disheartening. Considering the game's far-reaching long-term goals, I'd think that a framework allowing for dwarves to organize events/get together would be necessary, much less something that won't likely ever happen.

Actually i dont think "trials" with a ton of dwarfs need to be done. Just send the inquisitor and the hammerer after the Criminal was seized by the fortress guard. A modern justice system is nice and dandy (althought still prone to abuse in most variants) but wasnt that common. On the other hand the actuall punishment was often a big party - i mean beer, snacks and bodyparts flying off? Its like the superbowl!

I don't think it is all that modern or uncommon, though I'm not up on things enough to say what was common for commoners in different eras.  But yeah, the issue is getting say 8 specific dwarves in the same place at the same time, while still allowing them to eat, drink and sleep and without having the loss of labor be a large issue.  I think it's a difficult problem on the fortress time scale.  The current squad activities don't generally require total attendance.  Perhaps if they were provided beverages by servants and could subsist on alcohol throughout the trial...

[Sean Mirrsen]

Maybe have the courtroom zone require a drink stockpile to operate, in addition to the chairs/tables/cages?

[Alu]

What happens if the only witness dies on the way to the sheriff?

[hoveringdog]

I think trial by combat would be more appropriately dwarfy. Which, tangentially, makes me wonder ... If the sheriff is sent to punish a suspected vampire, and the accusation proves true, will the vampire passively accept punishment or fight back? Will there come a point where it's obvious that the dwarf is a vampire and can be targeted as an enemy through the squads menu or will it always remain a matter of civil justice?

Given that, on the rare occasion I actually appoint a sheriff, it's usually the weakest, most incompetent dwarf I can find (lest the beatings turn into massacres), I can see it becoming a problem if every sheriff sent to take down the vampire becomes the next victim.

[Kogut]

Is it planned to make vampires init/worldgen option? As vampires + justice + nobles + impossible mandates (slade - bug #782, blue jay tooth etc - bug #1623) due to strange preferences (wagon wood - bug #3676 etc) will result ??FUN?? I prefer to disable this feature.

[zwei]

I don't think it is all that modern or uncommon, though I'm not up on things enough to say what was common for commoners in different eras.  But yeah, the issue is getting say 8 specific dwarves in the same place at the same time, while still allowing them to eat, drink and sleep and without having the loss of labor be a large issue.  I think it's a difficult problem on the fortress time scale.  The current squad activities don't generally require total attendance.  Perhaps if they were provided beverages by servants and could subsist on alcohol throughout the trial...

Well, most players seem to have issues with too many idlers / huge surplus of dwarven labor / keeping dwarves busy. I do not see gatherings like court sessions to be issue, but rather one of things that mature fort is supposed to be able to handle without fun consequences.

[Kogut]

"Unless they witnessed the sheriff committing a crime" - maybe sometimes soldier witnessing this kind of crime should attack sheriff?