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[Askot Bokbondeler]

i'm not disputing your claim that you'd be able to fix the bugs, i'm disputing your right to make an argument for open sourcing df

[de5me7]

i wonder how often bug fixing takes over this thread. It seems to me every time theres a larger release in the works it crops up.
or immediately after a slightly buggy release. I guess toady will know best. All the suggestions on bugs here have been said
before, by my reconing at least twice a year for the past 2 years.

[Kay12]

i'm not disputing your claim that you'd be able to fix the bugs, i'm disputing your right to make an argument for open sourcing df

Why are you disputing it and comparing me to a traitor?

[Askot Bokbondeler]

because it would put his highness out of work?

[Kay12]

because it would put his highness out of work?

A pretty bad excuse. Linus Torvalds has been the boss of an open project for over two decades now.

While I think DF's development could (and probably would) gain from being open source and I certainly hope it to happen at some point, the code is Toady's and he's doing good work. There's no way I'm pressuring or forcing him to open the code. It's his project, he can decide what to do with it. He can keep it closed, he can open it and either stay in charge or retire entirely - whatever he does and at what point, it's his choice only, and that choice is justified by his sheer ownership and authorship of the code.

However, Toady's sovereignity over the project is not a reason for suppressing arguments for/against anything.

[Lord Shonus]

However, Toady's sovereignity over the project is not a reason for suppressing arguments for/against anything.

No, but his repeated and insistent desire that people stop bringing the subject up is.

[Kay12]

However, Toady's sovereignity over the project is not a reason for suppressing arguments for/against anything.

No, but his repeated and insistent desire that people stop bringing the subject up is.

And, precisely for that reason, my original open source argument was enclosed in an HTML-esque <tag> to prevent people from taking it as a serious reason to "MAKE IT OPEN NOW OR DIE".

(Also, pardon my ignorance of this subject's apparent... what's that word for arguments that have already been revisited a bazillion times? I'm quite new to these DF forums, I've only made a few casual visits earlier.)

[Askot Bokbondeler]

Linus Torvalds

we're talking about a niche game here, you're comparing it to the kernel that almost every open source os in existence uses. the scope of both projects is so disproportional i'd say that comparison isn't very good

but yeah, let's drop this

[Dae]

Ah, apparently Toady is on to adding criminals. How deep will criminals be implemented for this time ? Random formation, ot will it be tied to for example poverty ? Does this means Stalkers will get in too ?

[Dsarker]

Presumably, criminals would be based on the ethic tags of a civilisation.

[thvaz]

It should be nice if the dungeons under the castle would have some prisoners for you to free.

And public hangings on the market.

[Fieari]

Presumably, criminals would be based on the ethic tags of a civilisation.

I'm imagining elf prisoners who cut down trees...

Basically, anything forbidden by the ethics could cause someone to be in the dungeons.  Even if it only showed up in Worldgen/Legends and perhaps the speech "What are you in for? Cutting down trees" it would be cool.

[Senty]

Will there be an active way in which we can engage in diplomacy, something like sending out envoys akin to the ones you receive.

[Dsarker]

Now, what would be interesting is if a person's deeds carried over, sort of like a war crimes thing. Elves somehow capture a human city, imprison them all because they cut down a tree.

[Caldfir]

In the screenshots for the cities, the dwarves and elves that move to human cities in worldgen seem to finally be showing up in adventure mode. 

Which situations in adventure/dwarf mode are (currently) pulling from real populations, and which ones are just spawning random creatures of the associated type of the given civ?  Meaning that they are either a historical figure, or they represent some actual member of the parent civ's actual current population of creatures. 

We already know that random spawns are:

• starting 7 (dwarf mode)
• immigrants (dwarf mode)
• invaders (dwarf mode)
• traders (dwarf mode)
• guards (dwarf mode)

And that real population pulls are:

• diplomats (dwarf mode)
• cities

Ones that are potentially up in the air are:

• castle guards (adventure mode)
• bandits  (adventure mode)

Related:
Do the creatures that historical figures tame get used anywhere?

edit: thanks Footkerchief - edited to only ask about potentially ambiguous characters