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[Neonivek]

It is sort of the thing Thvaz, those features would have to go in eventually, and the fewer releases the faster development goes.

That is how I veiw many things Toady adds to the game or wants to.

[jellsprout]

Just have a little faith in Toady. The game is great as it currently is, so his development schedule seems to work.

[thvaz]

I have faith in Toady, but even he admits he sidetracks a lot. Longer development cycles has been proven very hurtful to the game - just look at 31.01.

He set himself the plans for shorter development cycles with bugfixes releases in-between, and it was a really good plan - it would appease the "moar bugfix" masses and would still bring the game forward. It is a pity he can't attain to his own plans. The last release was almost(more?) than six months ago.

[Neonivek]

I have faith in Toady, but even he admits he sidetracks a lot. Longer development cycles has been proven very hurtful to the game - just look at 31.01.

He set himself the plans for shorter development cycles with bugfixes releases in-between, and it was a really good plan - it would appease the "moar bugfix" masses and would still bring the game forward. It is a pity he can't attain to his own plans. The last release was almost(more?) than six months ago.

Ohh, I thought it was longer. Like nearly a year at this point.

Six months isn't so bad.

[Knight Otu]

31.25 was released on march 28 (pretty much a year after 31.01). So we're closing in on six months. That is a tad long for a short-term release as it was supposed to be, and people are visibly getting restless. Much as I'd think the remaining night creatures wouldn't add all that more time to the release, I can understand why people would rather that they be postponed (which might simply mean postponed to release 2).

[Neonivek]

31.25 was released on march 28 (pretty much a year after 31.01). So we're closing in on six months. That is a tad long for a short-term release as it was supposed to be, and people are visibly getting restless. Much as I'd think the remaining night creatures wouldn't add all that more time to the release, I can understand why people would rather that they be postponed (which might simply mean postponed to release 2).

They sort of want things postponed to a nebulous period of time that is likely never to come... for MOST people (not all)

Which is why I have a hard time taking "stop working on that" suggestions seriously. They arn't done with the honest intent that they should be worked on again at another time.

[Knight Otu]

It's not like they can control when Toady picks that stuff back up if he decides to postpone it. Though there is precedent that such stuff gets ever more sidelined, the different night creature types were actually delayed once already and yet came back faster than expected.

Now, I would prefer that the other night creatures do go in - a new complete system with the kinks that Toady could find being worked out is preferable to a new rushed incomplete system that then floods the bug tracker (in triplicate, probably) with stuff that Toady is aware of but didn't get to fix because he "had to" release it - and the other night creatures could well help with that.

[thvaz]

They sort of want things postponed to a nebulous period of time that is likely never to come... for MOST people (not all)

Which is why I have a hard time taking "stop working on that" suggestions seriously. They arn't done with the honest intent that they should be worked on again at another time.

This is not true. I think the stalkers will be one of the most interesting night creatures - it is just that I prefer them to be worked later and well than now and rushed.

[EmeraldWind]

I have faith in Toady, but even he admits he sidetracks a lot. Longer development cycles has been proven very hurtful to the game - just look at 31.01.

He set himself the plans for shorter development cycles with bugfixes releases in-between, and it was a really good plan - it would appease the "moar bugfix" masses and would still bring the game forward. It is a pity he can't attain to his own plans. The last release was almost(more?) than six months ago.

Yeah, but his sidetrack here came about because while the new cities are interesting and cool he wanted to add stuff to do in them as well. The catacombs would be cool but ultimately pretty boring without all the other stuff he added. Granted this entire release wouldn't have even had fortress mode improvements if it wasn't for the side track. Thanks to interactions there's a good deal for everybody to have fun with.

[Neonivek]

This is not true. I think the stalkers will be one of the most interesting night creatures - it is just that I prefer them to be worked later and well than now and rushed

Not true in all cases. Though the best test is to ask the person "When".

[Caldfir]

I think that at this point, the last of the night creatures should probably go in, because otherwise they would get heaped on the "later" pile, which is quite a large pile right now.  Complete systems are good. 

On the other hand, it's pretty clear that the city maps and such (things planned for this release) are an independent set of things from the night creatures.  It would have been completely possible (and potentially easier for Toady) for the caravan arc release 1 stuff to get finished, then work on "release 1.5" for the night creatures.  I'm excited about the night creatures, but right now it just feels like I'm missing out on cool city goodies for no real reason. 

I don't think an argument can really be made that separating this into two releases would have been a bad thing (though I suppose this is a hindsight thing).

[Neonivek]

There is only one arguement, in that the more releases the longer it takes.

Though since these are two LONG releases... I guess that isn't so much. though it can stop progress for even a month.

[Dsarker]

I think we're not getting at the most important part. Toady, despit all his awesomeness, is a human like everyone else. He decides to do things this way for his own reasons, and they are ineffable reasons.

[Neonivek]

I think we're not getting at the most important part. Toady, despit all his awesomeness, is a human like everyone else. He decides to do things this way for his own reasons, and they are ineffable reasons.

Ohh yeah the Toady Factor.

Yeah when dealing with an artist you have to prepare for their whims.

[Mountain-King]

i dunno when i'm working on a thing outside input helps a lot

in the end, it's Toady's decision, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't express their views

personally, i'd prefer if the other night creatures were left for a later release. this release seems more than complete even without them, and it has dragged on for a while. i don't mind that much either way, though.