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[Toaster]

I'll trade you my IC spot and take over for Vengeful if you're interested.

[Vector]

I'll trade you my IC spot and take over for Vengeful if you're interested.

Prolly not a good idea... I mean, we're really leaving soon and I strongly suspect that I'm going to be without a net connection for the vast bulk of the time I'm there.

But thanks for the offer!

[lordnincompoop]

Alright, if I happen to run BMXXIV I'll sign you up as IC then.

Feel free to apply for a spot once the inevitable replaces happen.

[breadbocks]

Spoilspec me on this one, if ya don't mind.

[lordnincompoop]

Day 1 Has Begun!

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Supercharazard - 0 -
Okami No Rei - 0 -
Powder Miner - 0 -
Taricus - 0 -
Heliman - 0 -
anzki4 - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Toaster - 0 -

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“Greetings to all ye who here hath gathered today.”

The King rose from his throne, and addressed the group of nobles brought before him. There was little banter, and the nobles looked at their King with worry; he had faced colder winters as of late, and it seemed unlikely that he would survive another.

“What have you for us, my liege? Is it about the heir?”

“Indeed it is, Heliman, my son.”

He walked down from the raised platform and began to shout, face flushing red and shaking. “For in this court resides two assassins, present even now amongst you, who sought to kill me!”

His voice grew louder, and he sat back down on the throne. “And since it is your doing, by way of ill will or incompetence, none of you will leave until you find and kill these assassins yourselves.”

He gestured toward the doors, and two heavily armed guards closed them, standing by.

“Let it begin.”



The Day will end Tuesday, 8PM GMT.

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[Powder Miner]

If I'm understanding RVS correctly....

So, Heliman, you've been in the last Beginner's Mafia, with the ICs we have, so who do you think us newbies should watch out for?

[webadict]

If I'm understanding RVS correctly....

So, Heliman, you've been in the last Beginner's Mafia, with the ICs we have, so who do you think us newbies should watch out for?

Don't worry about trying to understand RVS. Just try to get a feel for what other players are doing. Are they trying to fit in? Are they trying to find information? Look at what they do and how they do it.

RVS isn't really all that scary in other games. You just gotta know what to do with it.

[Powder Miner]

OK then. Just gonna wait for Heliman to answer.

[Toaster]

Welcome to Mafia!

As you should be aware, there are two teams- town and scum.  The town's goal is to find and lynch the scum.  The scum's goal is to successfully masquerade as town long enough to win.

As town, your primary and only goal is to hunt scum.  This is more important than everything else, including your survival.  If the mafia is scared enough of you to kill you, you've done a good job and should take it as a compliment to your abilities.  Do not fear death- fear not finding scum.

That said, how do you find scum?  Question, question, question.  Study people's motives.  Look for people who are either insincere about finding scum or who seemed overly concerned with their survival and/or image.  If someone says something that seems off or unusual to you, ask them about it!  Examine the logic people use to reach their conclusions.  If it's faulty, it could be a sign of scum trying to mislead.

Look also for people who are not truly scum hunting, but just trying to pretend like they are.  That is a big warning sign.

Don't read too much into who was chosen to be killed at night.  You can never be sure why the scum team picked that person, so trying to find scum by who they killed will only lead you in circles.

Finally, have fun!  It's a game- you should enjoy yourself!


Everything above is given to you as a completely impartial person who wants you to learn how to play and become skilled in the game.  I'm here to teach, but I am also a player.  Remember, it is possible for the ICs to be scum.  By the same token, we are most concerned about you becoming good players here- we will not mislead you with bad advice if either of us are scum.  Our playing advice is in 100% good faith, but you should still study our arguments to see if they hold water.

One piece of advice to the scum team:  The best way for you to win is to make everyone think you're town.  Do that by hunting scum just as you would if you were town.  I find it best as scum to not think about your alignment while reading the thread for scummy behavior.  Don't be afraid to hound your partner if he does something scummy.

Final word:  How someone answers a question is as important as the answer itself.  Did they react like they were hiding something?  Did the question unnerve them?


Now, to the game!  Generally, we here at Bay 12 open up by picking someone semi-arbitrarily, voting them, and asking them a question.  Don't feel limited to a single question, though.  Here's my opener for example:

anzki4:  If you were scum, what qualities would you like in your scum partner?


Taricus:  What do you think is the best way to hunt scum?

OK then. Just gonna wait for Heliman to answer.

Sitting around and waiting is passive.  Don't feel you can't do anything else while waiting for an answer- go question someone else.  You don't have to vote someone to question them.


Good luck and have fun!

[Powder Miner]

Think no Rei how do you think this game is going to go?

[Supercharazad]

Heliman, if you were scum, would you be annoyed that you were singled out in the flavour text?
 

[Jim Groovester]

Well, poo. Toaster got the opening IC post first. Had I been first here's what I would have put down. It's mostly a reinforcement of everything Toaster already said.

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Now that the game has started and I am now responsible for teaching seven of you how to play a game, I will say the following first.

I will be a completely impartial source of advice that I will freely give at every opportunity, whether I am asked for it or I decide to give it on my own. You can trust that everything I have to say will be given in good faith, even if it comes at a personal cost to me in this game. If you do not listen to what I have to say, for any reason, you will severely hamper your ability to learn how to play the game. So, to reiterate,

Listen to what I tell you.

If you don't, then what's the point of me being here?

For those of you who don't know what to do, games usually start with the Random Vote Stage. You should pick a target randomly, vote them, and ask them a question. The sole purpose of this is to get conversation going when there would otherwise be no reason to do that. I'll start.

Bdthemag, I've never seen you around here before, so answer me a question. As a cop, how would you determine who to inspect at night?

Ideally you should ask game related questions in the RVS. Asking what kind of flavor of ice cream is a player's favorite does absolutely nothing to help you find scum, which is your primary goal.

And because it bears repeating: Your primary goal is to find scum. Everything you do should help you towards that goal. And I do mean everything.

If you're scum, you will obviously have a different goal: Avoid detection until the end of the game. The best way to do this is to look like you are trying to find scum.

Since many of you are going to have no idea what to do and will mangle scumhunting in just about every possible way, it does you no good to hold back. So be bold, and just do the best you can. Ask lots of questions, try to get a good feel for how the game is played. I'll be there to help you when you go wrong.

And yes, I did just copy this word for word from my opening post in BMXXI, because I think it's still good and applicable.

I'll reiterate some key points that Toaster said, because they bear repeating for ever and ever.

You find scum by asking questions. Ask questions about anything that looks odd to you. And I do mean anything. Oftentimes it's the more subtler signals that give away scum. You might not know what these subtle signals are yet, but you want to get in the habit of asking about them anyway.

Stay active. Do all that you can to keep the conversation moving, preferably in a direction you want to take it. If you're not sure what to do, look through everybody's posts, ask questions about them, or ask for opinions about other players. If you're not active, you won't find scum. What's worse, you'll look like scum.

I hope I've communicated clearly enough the importance of asking questions and staying active.

Think0028, let's say you're the Doctor. What criteria would you use to make a decision about who to protect, and why?

[Okami No Rei]

Okami no Rei how do you think this game is going to go?

Well.  As long as the fresh blood doesn't develop chronic lurkitis,  I like the mix of experience I'm looking at.  This will be an interesting game.

Supercharazad - Stacking votes already?  Interesting.  In your opinion, how many votes constitutes a bandwagon in nine player RVS?

Think0028 - Have you read though any games Heliman played?  Would you rather be on his team as town or scum?

[Taricus]

Supercharizard - Hiding something?

[anzki4]

anzki4:  If you were scum, what qualities would you like in your scum partner?

If I were scum, I would prefer my partner to be someone deceptive, who knows how to lie.
But you tell me, Toaster if I were scum, would you be a good partner to me?