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Help picking a degree
« on: May 08, 2011, 07:46:42 pm »

I was wondering if I could get some quick help

What road could I take in college education, if I want to do economics.

It can be any economical subject, I'm not really concerned whether it'll suit me perfectly or not, rather I want to find a college degree,
That will get me a job without fail, and would help me learn at the same time one of my favourite subjects which is economics.

Also, I'm not american, I live in EU, in Poland to be exact, and our colleges are overflowing with not-science students, and that broke the job market.
History, Sociology and Psychology are the joke degrees that everyone can agree are useless here. Also Marketing and Managment has no jobs.

I understand that I'll have to check the job market here locally myself.

So if it was tl;dr:
What economical subjects can I take in college?
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2011, 07:55:46 pm »

No degree guarantees a job. Obtaining a degree is merely gaining the opportunity to develop the skills you need and something to signify you might have gotten them - especially in competitive job markets, you're going to have to show initiative and talent beyond "was willing to pay my way to a generally meaningless certification"

Not to say degrees are worthless - they aren't. But any degree is always at best necessary but not sufficient.

Basically, don't focus on the degree, focus on the career you want to be working in, and essentially START working on it while you are getting your education. Use your teachers and fellow students as content and do what you want to end up doing right from the get go. That is how you come closest to guaranteeing yourself a job.

Well that or work for a relative.
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Re: Help picking a degree
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2011, 08:02:30 pm »

I know that nothing is a given, but it's either that, or something that is an interesting subject to study, but absolutely jobless.

The best I can give the world is that I genuinely like economics.
And the math that goes with it.
However I'm not a math genius. Just enough skill to clasify as OK. So I hope that I can still go for science even tho I'm just average.

So yeah, any career opportunities in that way? I don't think buying and selling stock is the only way.
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Re: Help picking a degree
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2011, 08:06:59 pm »

You're going to want some math background in there, as any economic theory requires at least a comfortable grasp of mathematics. Statistics are pretty much a given too.

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However I'm not a math genius. Just enough skill to clasify as OK. So I hope that I can still go for science even tho I'm just average.

Algebra gets you through intro Micro and Macro Economics in the US, and Statistics. Beyond that the models get more complicated, so the math does too.

A background in sociology is actually not a total waste for an economist, since social factors have a large impact on economic models that lots of cloistered or business economists tend to ignore. Between those two, I think you have enough classes to give you a broad base to apply your degree.

For my Journalism degree, they required us to take many hours in diverse subjects so we graduated with a well-rounded education. Don't forget though, your core degree is generally what people focus on, not all the supporting classes you take to enhance your understanding. THAT stuff is for you to learn and figure out how to combine with your actual degree, unless you've found a very specific job with very specific requirements.

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So yeah, any career opportunities in that way? I don't think buying and selling stock is the only way.

The big question you need to ask yourself is this: Academia or no? Because while there are "real world" jobs for economists, I think the majority of them end up as academics. Some people are totally fine with that, others want nothing to do with academia. Figuring out where you stand on that will be the first major decision fork in your career path, IMO.

And by academia, btw, I mean seeking a masters or PhD in Economics. Some people do that and still go on to non-academic jobs....but the majority that seek higher degrees stay in academia. If you have zero interest in academia or economic research...I wouldn't skip on those business classes, just to be safe.
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Re: Help picking a degree
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2011, 08:13:23 pm »

From what I've heard of the Polish math system, I'd skip it if you're not a beast.

But, if you like economics, you should go for it.  Follow your dreams, Rooster =)
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Re: Help picking a degree
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2011, 08:15:05 pm »

Just curious, what is our math system?
I thought math is universal around the globe

Definitely not academics. If I wanted to do that Id go for Bachelor of Arts instead.

And our business classes are really poor. I mean really. They teach us how to do taxes, and how they work. And it's the end of the year. I mean come on!
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2011, 08:22:52 pm »

Just curious, what is our math system?
I thought math is universal around the globe

So, all I know about it really is that it involves four-five years of doing absolutely nothing but math, 14-16 hours a day, with oral exams at the end of the semester.  The most skilled mathematician I know pulled down some B's in the Polish system... so unless you really, really want to become a mathematician, I'd skip it and go with something else =/
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Re: Help picking a degree
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2011, 08:31:41 pm »

Economics is a good degree to have.  I have an economics degree myself.

It's a good degree to have alongside a degree in math, psychology, sociology, statistics or political science, depending on your particular interest.  You're probably going to need to take classes up to Calc 3 and at least an intro stats course.

My econ program didn't have any emphasis on a particular field, and you'll likely have at least some exposure to monetary policy, microeconomics, macroeconomics, trade policy and econometrics.
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2011, 08:34:28 pm »

Yeah, my friend commented that we do nothing but count rather than think in maths.
And we live from session to session (big exams).

My interests are way beyond just maths. The actual level, or a standard in college is actually way low. It's possible in our country for a person with mediocre maths go to economical college, because it's a #1 in college options in our country. Most offers from school I've seen have "Higher school of commerce" in their name, and they offer a bunch of subjects that have nothing to do with math even, so I'm not worried about that. I'm just searching for a carrer, that is not useless.

The actual elite colleges are law and medicine (but isn't that everywhere?)

EDIT: now I'll have to look up what Calc 3 is, because we have never divided math except algebra and geometry

@Bouchart: What is your degree called? Or is it "just" economy? I don't think it's possible because it's such a wide subject
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Re: Help picking a degree
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2011, 08:48:06 pm »

At least where I come from it's quite easy to enter law school. Medicine is a different can of beans, though.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2011, 09:05:09 pm »

I just have a plain economics degree.  There's no particular specialization.  I also have a math degree.

Calculus 3 is multivariable calculus.  You'd have to check your school's curriculum to see if you need something comparable.  You might not need it and I only used multivariable calculus a handful of times, really.
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2011, 12:46:01 am »

I'm really getting an impression that in US people have a wide variety of after school classes.

Believe it or not we don't have any. At all.
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2011, 12:49:42 am »

Yeah, we do.

But...

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(Someone pointed me to that quote at some point)
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Re: Help picking a degree
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2011, 01:12:16 am »

Huh, that's an interesting one...
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Re: Help picking a degree
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2011, 01:46:01 am »

Rooster, the economics degrees in Poland seem to be rather broadly treating the subject, without that much difference between e.g.'International economics' and 'Economics, finances and management'(what they've got at the UJ).
What you could do, is look up the list of courses that you'll be required to take(should be accessible from the colleges' websites) and check e.g. if you will have an opportunity to learn an additional language(s) alongside just the economics(see if the courses are extensive enough to give you more than just the basics). Having a reasonably good command of just one foreign language might be not enough when you enter the job market(I should know).
Other than that you could check if there's going to be a lot(i.e.enough) of math, or any other courses that actually might increase your competence as an economist, but it's probably not going to have that much impact on your job prospects as a recognizable name of the college, or anything specific that you can put in your CV would - like for example studying abroad for a semester or two. Check if your college provides such opportunities - basically they need to have signed agreements with some schools in other countries for student exchange - check ERASMUS program. Maybe SOCRATES too, unless that's no longer there.
That said, if you're not aiming for a life in a large city, then you could probably do without any extra skills and embelishments in your CV. Still, always good to have.

Calculus 3 is multivariable calculus.  You'd have to check your school's curriculum to see if you need something comparable.  You might not need it and I only used multivariable calculus a handful of times, really.
Polish schooling system does not divide math into separate classes focusing on e.g.particular parts of calculus or algebra. It's all bundled up as general 'maths', and you're expected to pass an exam testing this general mathematical knowledge when you're graduating from high school.
Some separation is only introduced in higher education, when you do get linear algebra and 'mathematical analysis'(basically the whole of calculus) as required courses for e.g. most economics-related degrees.

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Heh, there's some truth in this. I'm not sure how much parroting is there with regard to the schooling system, but way too many people are ready to favourably compare Polish education quality, with (especially)the American one, despite not knowing anything about the latter.

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