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[Vanigo]

Evilcherry, I don't know where you think you're getting 55400 research from, but you don't have nearly enough left after manufactories and terraforming, even with the 10% bonus from research I. Also, that's the wrong population growth formula. It should be 5884*(1.2 * .05 * 1 morale - (1*.0005) environment) = 350.0

[evilcherry]

Evilcherry, I don't know where you think you're getting 55400 research from, but you don't have nearly enough left after manufactories and terraforming, even with the 10% bonus from research I. Also, that's the wrong population growth formula. It should be 5884*(1.2 * .05 * 1 morale - (1*.0005) environment) = 350.0

I should have put more faith into excel. Or to recycle my sheets.

Somehow using calc without eyes on screen... sucks.

[Vanigo]

Your population growth is still wrong.

[evilcherry]

Your population growth is still wrong.

Waiting for the word of god for a version in formulae. Anyway, as 349<350, I stand with 349 until the word of god decides else.

edit: okay, I see the point of the new formula. That means debuffs are not "buffed" by buffs, or rather a nerfing of debuffs.

[ggamer]

Spoiler: SOD turn 4 (click to show/hide)

Racial Stats:

Spaceship HP +1
Spaceship Defense +1
Loyalty recovery +1
Trade and Selling production +1
Research +2

Population growth -2

80 environment

Movement
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(16,19)
   Fleet 1
      FF Count 16/16
      FF Count 16/16
      FF Count 16/16
      CO Transport 4/4
      CO Transport 4/4
      Hold
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Production
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/* 5 (10, 1.00, 80, 1,00, 5,895, 5,394,600,000):
   Production(p) = 5,700 x 10 x 1.00 x 1.00 + 0 x .05 (boom) = 58,950p
   Taxation(c) = 5,609.7 x 1.00 = 5,609c
        Trade: 0
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Consumption
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5:
   Ships: 5,000p+0c = 5,000/5,000 CO Transport
   Manufactories: 35,000p+0c = 350 (1 per 100p/c)
   Terraforming: 0p+0c = 0% (1% per 5,000p/c)
   Technology: 13,500p+0c Colonization V1
   Loyalty: 0c = 0% (1% per mpopulation /10 c)
   Environment upkeep: 0c = (|0|) / 20 * 50,000
                           
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Research
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After the many "Fuck yeh" and high-fives shared at the weapons institute, the nearby ministry of colonization turned it's sights to Colonization research.
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Trade Routes
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None

Treasury
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Last turn balance: 15,194c
Colonial Income: 5,609c
Consumption: -0c
Trade income: 0c
Fleet Upkeep: -1500c
Interest: -0c (negative c / 20)
Balance next turn: 19,303c
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Growth
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31 (10, 1.00, 80, 1.00, 50,350, 5,609,700,000):
   Growth = 5,609,700,000*0.04 = 224,388,000 + 5,609,700,000 = 5,834,088,000 = 5,834,000,000
   Manufactory = 350
   Terraforming = 0
   Loyalty = 0

First turn made without a prod

[Vanigo]

[spoiler=SOD turn 3]
Production
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/* 5 (10, 1.00, 80, 1,00, 5,895, 5,394,600,000):
   Production(p) = 5,700 x 10 x 1.00 x 1.00 + 0 x .05 (boom) = 58,950p
   Taxation(c) = 5,609.7 x 1.00 = 5,609c
        Trade: 0

Uh, something is very wrong here, and I'm honestly not sure what. If your population is 5394.6 million, you can only use 5394 manufactories, and the other ~500 will sit idle. Assuming the 5894 manufactories is accurate, that is. And then you've got 5700 manufactories listed in the production equation, and 5609.7 million people in the taxation equation on the next line...

[Vanigo]

I see you edited your turn, ggamer, and I don't know what you changed, but it's still wrong. You don't have enough population to work all 5700 manufactories. Your production is only 5609*10*1.05 = 58894 (and I don't know where the 58,950 figure came from). And then your spending is only 5000+35000+13500=53500, leaving you with 5394p left over. You could put that into credits for an extra 539c, or spend it for something else.
(Also, your status line is completely screwed up, which is where a lot of the confusion came from in the first place.)

[ggamer]

first off, there was a production boom. Second, I did not think of that. What doesnirur say?

[Nirur Torir]

58894 production is correct, sorry for the confusion.

[evilcherry]

So (Finally) a turn after ggamer straighten everything out.

[Vanigo]

Just give him the credits and let's get this thing moving again.

[Nirur Torir]

Marine transport costs ramp up as you research each one. What Neyvn researched easily, evilcherry will have a harder time with, or he might just specialize further with expanded transports.

Evilcherry:
Cloaking I researched.
Miniturization I researched. (Only affects new designs)

Vanigo:
Frigates researched.
Production II researched. Production modifier from science set to 1.21.
Bonus: +25% credit income for one turn. Credits increased by 1468.
FF Count III, DD Trader now at (1,10)

Neyvn:
Drop Pod Transports researched - 0.7x troop capacity, 0.7x loyalty, does not land.
Strike Craft Engines I researched.
Census errors. Pop set to 6079.9. Factories set to 6080. Unaccounted for production invested in secretive secret tech of secretness.
Possibly related: Cloaking I researched.

Criptfeind:
Frigates researched.

Ggamer:
Production I given for free. Production modifier from science set to 1.1.
Frigate tech will be assimilated after next turn.
5950 factories are available.

Spoiler: Known Techs (click to show/hide)

**Corvette Construction
Frigate Construction (evilcherry, Neyvn, Vanigo, Criptfeind)

**Engine II
Engines III (Vanigo)

Cloaking I (evilcherry, Neyvn)

Miniturization I (evilcherry)

**Basic Troop Transports - Standard capacity, 0.8 loyalty, 5 turn lander.
Expanded Marine Transports - 1.5 capacity, 0.7 loyalty, 6 turn lander. (evilcherry)
Drop Pod Transports - 0.75 capacity, 0.7 loyalty, does not land. (Neyvn)

Strike Craft I (Neyvn)

Strike Craft Engines I (Neyvn)

Ground Attack I (Ggamer)

**Trade Routes II

Colonization I (Criptfeind)

**Production I
Production II (Neyvn, Vanigo)

Research I (Criptfeind, Evilcherry, Vanigo)

Pop Growth I (Criptfeind)

Strategic Anti-Planetary Missiles I (Evilcherry)

** Indicates technology known to all players.

===Alternative Sorting===
Evilcherry: Expanded Marine Transports, Frigates, Cloaking I, Miniturization I, Strategic Anti-Planetary Missiles I, Research I, Production I
Neyvn: Frigates, Strike Craft I, Strike Craft Engines I, Production II, Cloaking I
Criptfeind: Colonization I, Frigates, Pop Growth I, Research I
Vanigo: Frigates, Engines III, Research I, Production II
Ggamer: Ground Attack I, Production I

Spoiler: Standard Ships (click to show/hide)

MM Retribution - 2000p - 3 engines / 1 HP / Stealth I / Strategic Anti-Planetary Missile - Deals 25 points of environmental damage (12.5 against a size 5, 2.5 against a size 10. Rounds down.) Kills 0.5% of population for each point of environmental damage. Destroys 0.5 manufactories per million population killed. Reduces loyalty by 5% per 1% of population killed. Required tech: Strategic Anti-Planetary Missiles I.

CO Transport - 5,000p - 2 Engines / 3 HP / 30,000 Troop Capacity at 80% loyalty, standard landing / This is a basic warp-capable ship, filled with marines at the cost of troop comfort and defenses. Required tech: None

FF Count - 15,000p - 10 Beam Atk / 10 Beam Def / 10 Missile Defense / 10 Kinetic Defense / 2 Engines / 15 HP / An old favorite due to their high reliability, and a remnant from a forgotten age. Many still exist, but the technology to build more has been lost to the sector. Required Tech: Frigate Construction, Beam II, Beam Defense II, Missile Defense II, Kinetic Defense II, Miniaturization II.

DD Trader - 30,000p - 2 Engines / 5HP / Trader - This is technically a destroyer sized vessel, able to be built even by colonial industry due to modular construction techniques not suitable for military use. The technology to build them has only barely been preserved. Required Tech: None.

Map

[Vanigo]

Why are my ship movements public? I thought there was a limited detection range, even for ships with no special stealth capabilities?

[Nirur Torir]

No, sorry for not being clear. If you want ships to be even remotely stealthy, they need a cloaking device (I understand the importance of stealthy ships, but really would rather not deal with detection for every fleet. Thus, stealthy ships are generally less effective then their non-stealthy counterparts).

[Neyvn]

Ehh??? Which part of my Maths was wrong? I thought I had it right there...
Anyway... Remind me, how far can ships travel again???