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[Nirur Torir]

Two things:

1: What about my attack?
2: I thought Mr. New rule says I get away with it since it is minor and took four days to find?

1: Oops, somehow missed seeing that ... The planet is yours!
-1 environmental damage from the battle.
-40% loyalty at the planet.
+5% loyalty at planet #24 due to nearby victory.

2: That's 24 hours after I post the turn.

[Vanigo]

Didn't get expanded marine transports even with the 10% bonus? Huh.

[Nirur Torir]

Didn't get expanded marine transports even with the 10% bonus? Huh.

Correct. (By all means, remind me if you think I messed up the research, but this time the RNG didn't want you getting four techs in one turn.)


I think I'm going to drop the previously stated 'free' bonus to research from having a trade route with someone who has the tech. Apologies to anyone who wanted their civilian merchants to glean secret military engineering techniques.

[Nirur Torir]

New rule: Designs are usable on the turn you request them, but only if it's within four days of me posting the turn.

[evilcherry]

Spoiler: Kozel'sk (click to show/hide)

Kozel'sk
+2 Production
+2 Terraforming
+2 Population growth
+2 Large structures and Special Projects
+2 Loyalty Recovery

-2 Land Attack
-2 Taxation
-2 Trade and selling production

FF Count 1-3: Hold at 5,19
FF Medvezhyi 1-2: Hold at 5,19

Kozel'sk Rodina (#4): (10 , 100 , 134 , 100, 6608 , 6608 )

Production = 87225p
Taxes = 5286c
Planetary Upkeep = 0c
Net Income = 5286c
Population growth = Pop x 0.05 x (Buff multiplied - debuff added )= 6608 x 0.05 x (1.2-0) = 396m

Manufactories = 39600p = 375 manufactories
Research = 7625p
Production: 2x FF Medvezhyi @ 20000p ea.

->

Kozel'sk Rodina (#4): (10 , 100 , 135 , 100, 7004 , 7004 )

Research:
7625*1.1 = 8387 -> Engines III

Credits:

Initial = 17108c
Income =5286c
Fleet Upkeep = 1500c
Balance = 20894c

[Vanigo]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Racial Stats:

+2 Research
+2 Production
+2 Loyalty Recovery
+2 Population Growth

-2 Terraforming
-2 Large Structures

Ideal environment: 190


Production
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/* colony number (Size, Quality, Environment, Loyalty, Manufactories, Population):
   Production(p) = manned manufactories x 10 x quality% x loyalty% + Trade received from last turn. See my turn post - It should be the same as their t, slightly further down, from last turn.
   Taxation(c) = mpopulation x loyalty%
        Trade: t = 20% of current production as credits. This will change as more trade routes are added.
   Remember taxation is halved under blockade
                                 */
2 (10,100,192,100,6332.9,6332):
   p = 6332 * 10 * 1(quality) * 1(loyalty) * 1.2(racial) *1.33 (tech)= 101058p
   c = 6332.9 * 1(loyalty) = 6332c
        t = 0
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Consumption
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/* colony number:
   Ships: p+c = number of ships or part thereof the Ship designation
   Manufactories: p+c = #of manufactories (1 per 100p/c)
   Terraforming: p+c = % improvement (1% per 500p/c * planet size)
   Technology: p+c
   Loyalty: c = % loyalty (1% per mpopulation /10 c)
   Environment upkeep: c = (|Ideal_Environment - Current_Environment|) / 20 * population(in millions)
                              */
1:
   Ships = 0p
   Manufactories = 41200p = 41200 = 412 manufactories
   Terraforming = 12500p * 0.8(racial penalty) =  10000 = 2% improvement next turn
   Technology = 47358p+2000c * 1.2 *1.1 = 65152
   Loyalty = 0
   Environment Upkeep: c = (|192-190|) / 20 * 6332.9 = 634c /* Round to hurt yourself.
   Total = 54275p + 2202c
   
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Research
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20,000p: Production IV
15,000p: Research II
2,000: Expanded marine transports
10,000p: Shipbuilding I

18,152p: PMed
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Trade Routes
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None

Treasury
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Last turn balance: 8326c
Colonial Income: 6332c
Consumption: -1634c
Trade income: 0c
Fleet Upkeep: -1800c /* you must not hide this value
Interest: -0c (negative c / 20)
Balance next turn: 11224c
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Growth
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2 (10,100,192,100,6332.9,6332):
   Growth = 6332.9 * (0.066 * 1 - (|192 - 190|) / 2000) = 411.6
   Manufactory = 412
   Terraforming = 2
   Loyalty = 0
   (10,100,190,100,6744.5,6744)

[Vanigo]

Guys?

[Vanigo]

Seriously, guys, turn.

[Nirur Torir]

Prods have been sent.

Are there any mechanics that need to be simplified? If the population/taxation thing is too much of a mess, I could reduce the number of significant digits and round more.

[Neyvn]

Gah I am still doing something wrong with my Pop Growth...

6414.2*0.055 - ((160-160)) (<= I put in 0) * 0.0005 = 0.176?

[Vanigo]

Gah I am still doing something wrong with my Pop Growth...

6414.2*0.055 - ((160-160)) (<= I put in 0) * 0.0005 = 0.176?

You messed up the parentheses. You're multiplying the entire thing by .0005, instead of just the (160-160). The correct equation is:
6414.2*0.055 - ((160-160) * 0.0005) = 352.7

[Neyvn]

Am I right in assuming that having Perfect Environment means I pay NO Environment tax???
Also the Research boost makes my new Research 1.3 right???

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Racial Stats:

Population growth: +1
Land Defense: +1
Research: +2
Small crafts attack: +2
Land Attack: +2

Defensive structures: -2
Large structures: -2

160 environment

Movement
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(5,20)
Fleet 1
-FF Count 1 (12/12)
-FF Count 2 (12/12)
-FF Count 3 (12/12)
-CO Transports 1
Offer the people of this Planet to Join Empire.

Fleet 2
-CO Transports 2
Move to 8,19 Colonize.

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Production
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3:
(Size-10, Quality-100, Environment-160, Loyalty-100, Manufactories-6414, Population-6414.2):
Production(p) = 6414 * 10 * 1(quality) * 1(loyalty) * 1(racial special)*1.21 (Tech Bonus) = 77609p
Taxation(c) = 6414 * 1(loyalty) = 6414c
Trade: t = 0
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Consumption
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3:
Ships = 0
Manufactories = 35200p = 352 Manufactories...
Terraforming = 0p = 0% improvement,
Technology = 42409p + 5000c * 1.32 = 62579p
Loyalty = 0c
Environment Upkeep: c = (|Ideal_Environment [160] - Current_Environment [160]|) / 20 * population(in millions) [6079.9] = 0
Total = 77609

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Research
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20000 into Population Improvements. - Better Healthcare.

20000 into Research Improvements - Better Research Facilities (Buildings)
Unlock :: Research 1

2579 into Income Improvements - Better Economy Systems
Unlocks :: NOTHING

Research Improvements
Unlocks :: NOTHING

Population Improvements
Unlocks :: NOTHING

Production Improvements
Unlocks :: Production Improvements I,Production Improvements II

Deception Research
Unlocks :: Cloaking I researched

Strikecraft Research
Unlocks :: Strike Craft Chassis, Strike Craft Engines I

20000 into Frigate Research - Colonization
Unlocks :: Frigate Chassis

Transport Class Vessel Enhancements
Unlocks :: Drop Pod Transports

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Trade Routes
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None

Treasury
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Last turn balance: 176c
Colonial Income: 6414
Consumption: -5000c
Trade income: 0c
Fleet Upkeep: -1200c
Interest: 0
Balance next turn: +390c
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Growth
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3:
(Size::10, Quality::100, Environment::160, Loyalty::100, Manufactories::6414, Population::6414.2)
Growth = 6414.2*0.055 - ((160-160) * 0.0005) = 352.7
Manufactory = 352
Terraforming = 160
Loyalty = 0
(10,100,160,100,6766,6766.9)

[Nirur Torir]

Am I right in assuming that having Perfect Environment means I pay NO Environment tax???

Correct. Also, you don't really need to include the environmental penalty in your calculations for a perfect environment world, much as you've left off the *1 modifier from loyalty.

Also the Research boost makes my new Research 1.3 right???

No. It's 1.1 (tech) * 1.2 (racial), for a total modifier of 1.32. You'll always be 20% better then a no-modifier science race, which will be more noticeable once you get higher !!SCIENCE!! tech.

[Neyvn]

Am I right in assuming that having Perfect Environment means I pay NO Environment tax???

Correct. Also, you don't really need to include the environmental penalty in your calculations for a perfect environment world, much as you've left off the *1 modifier from loyalty.

What do you mean Modifier?

Also the Research boost makes my new Research 1.3 right???

No. It's 1.1 (tech) * 1.2 (racial), for a total modifier of 1.32. You'll always be 20% better then a no-modifier science race, which will be more noticeable once you get higher !!SCIENCE!! tech.

Nice...

[Vanigo]

I don't know where you're getting that balance for next turn; by my math it should be 4031.
As for the modifier, loyalty is usually included in the population growth calculation. In your case, however, with 100% loyalty it's just a *1, which can be safely ignored.