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[evilcherry]

Spoiler: Kozel'sk (click to show/hide)

Kozel'sk
+2 Production
+2 Terraforming
+2 Population growth
+2 Large structures and Special Projects
+2 Loyalty Recovery

-2 Land Attack
-2 Taxation
-2 Trade and selling production

FF Count 1-3: Hold at 5,19

Kozel'sk Rodina (#4): (10 , 100 , 134 , 100, 6234 , 6233 )

Production = 82775p
Taxes = 4987c
Planetary Upkeep = 0c
Net Income = 4987c
Population growth = Pop x 0.05 x (Buff multiplied - debuff added )= 6234 x 0.05 x (1.2-.0.01) = 374m

Manufactories = 37500p = 375 manufactories
Research = 5275p
Production: 2x FF Medvezhyi @ 20000p ea.

->

Kozel'sk Rodina (#4): (10 , 100 , 135 , 100, 6608 , 6608 )

Research:
Secret Projects.

Credits:

Initial = 13021c
Income = 4987c
Fleet Upkeep = 900c
Balance = 17108c

[Nirur Torir]

I don't know exactly where you messed up, given the two very slightly different starting values. Each engine point gives one move speed.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Racial Stats:

Population growth: +1
Land Defense: +1
Research: +2
Small crafts attack: +2
Land Attack: +2

Defensive structures: -2
Large structures: -2

160 environment

Movement
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(20,8)
Fleet 1
-FF Count 1 (12/12)
-FF Count 2 (12/12)
-FF Count 3 (12/12)
-CO Transports 1
-CO Transports 2
Hold

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Production
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3:
(Size-10, Quality-100, Environment-167, Loyalty-100, Manufactories-5487, Population-5507.2):
Production(p) = 5487 * 10 * 1(quality) * 1(loyalty) * 1(racial special)*1.21 (Tech Bonus) = 66392p
Taxation(c) = 5507 * 1(loyalty) = 5507c
Trade: t = 0
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Consumption
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3:
Ships = 0
Manufactories = 26300p = 263 Manufactories...
Terraforming = 10000p = 2% improvement,
Technology = 30092p *1.2 = 36110p
Loyalty = 0c
Environment Upkeep: c = (|Ideal_Environment [160] - Current_Environment [167]|) / 20 * population(in millions) [5507.2] = -1928
Total = 57354p -1928c

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Research
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6100p into Population Improvements.
20000p into Landing/Re-Entry Tech. Frigate/Transport Class Enhancement.
Remaining 10000p Private Research

6154/XXXXXXX Population Improvements

20000/XXXXXX Production Improvements
Unlocks :: Production Improvements I,Production Improvements II

38000/XXXXXX Private Research

20000/XXXXXX Transport Class Vessel Enhancements
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Trade Routes
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None

Treasury
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Last turn balance: 1438c
Colonial Income: 5507c
Consumption: -1928
Trade income: 0c
Fleet Upkeep: -1200c
Interest: 0
Balance next turn: +3817c
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Growth
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3:
(Size::10, Quality::100, Environment::167, Loyalty::100, Manufactories::5487, Population::5507.2)
Growth = Current pop*0.055=302.8 *.9 = 272.6
Manufactory = 263
Terraforming = 167 - 2 = 165
Loyalty = 0
(10,100,165,100,5750,5779.

Where is the map again???

Spoiler: The Zia'Zola (click to show/hide)

Racial Stats:

Population growth: +1
Land Defense: +1
Research: +2
Small crafts attack: +2
Land Attack: +2

Defensive structures: -2
Large structures: -2

160 environment

Movement
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(20,8)
Fleet 1
-FF Count 1 (12/12)
-FF Count 2 (12/12)
-FF Count 3 (12/12)
-CO Transports 1
-CO Transports 2
Hold

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Production
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3:
(Size-10, Quality-100, Environment-167, Loyalty-100, Manufactories-5487, Population-5509.6B):
Production(p) = 5487 * 10 * 1(quality) * 1(loyalty) * 1(racial special)*1.1 (Tech Bonus) = 60357p
Taxation(c) = 5509.6 * 1(loyalty) = 5509.6c
Trade: t = 0
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Consumption
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60357
3:
Ships = 0
Manufactories = 30000p + 3000c = 330 Manufactories...
Terraforming = 10000p = 2% improvement,
Technology = 20357p *1.2 = 24000p
Loyalty = 0c
Environment Upkeep: c = (|Ideal_Environment [160] - Current_Environment [167]|) / 20 * population(in millions) [5509.6] = -1929
Total = 60357p
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Research
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357p into Population Improvements.
10000p into Production Improvements.
4000p into Strike Craft Hull
4000p into Strike Craft Engines
2000p into Private Research

411/XXXXXXX Population Improvements

30000/XXXXXX Production Improvements
Unlocks :: Production Improvements I

30000/XXXXXX Private Research
Unlocks : Strike Craft I, Frigate Class

4000/XXXX Strike Craft :: Engines
4000/XXXX Strike Craft :: Hull

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Trade Routes
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None

Treasury
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Last turn balance: 1438c
Colonial Income: 5509.6c
Consumption: -4929c
Trade income: 0c
Fleet Upkeep: -1200c
Interest: 0
Balance next turn: +818c
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Growth
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3:
(Size::10, Quality::100, Environment::167, Loyalty::100, Manufactories::5487, Population::5509.6B)
Growth = Current pop*0.055=288612500 *.9 = 272.7252 = 272.7
Manufactory = 330
Terraforming = 167 - 2 = 165
Loyalty = 0
(10,100,165,100,5817,5782.3B)

Just a check on Intrest, thats only for penalties right, its not a Save money get more thing...
I decreased my Pop from the full to only XXXX.X numbers, do I round up on Pop growth to the nearest .X
With Cash, do the .X earned round up or are they left there???

[ggamer]

can we do something in the vain of terraforming ships? I.E. changing the environment from orbit?

[Nirur Torir]

I'm going to say "no" to terraforming ships. They'd either be uselessly expensive early on, or able to instantly terraform anything into a perfect environment later, neither of which I want.

[Criptfeind]

I'm going to say "no" to terraforming ships. They'd either be uselessly expensive early on, or able to instantly terraform anything into a perfect environment later, neither of which I want.

That's too bad, terraforming is the best weapon ever.

Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)

Racial Stats:

Population growth: +2
Production: +2
Spaceship Attack: +2
Loyalty recovery: +2
Large structures: +2
Investment: -2
Spaceship HP: -2
Spaceship Defense: -2

Tech:
1.1 pop growth
1.1 production growth
1.1 research
Frigates

175 environment

Movement
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(9,1)
Fleet 1
-FF Count 1 (12/12)
-FF Count 2 (12/12)
-FF Count 3 (12/12)
-CO Transport 1 (2/2)
-CO Transport 2 (2/2)
-CO Transport 3 (2/2)
-Move to (7,3) attack

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Production
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1: (10,100,175,100,6273, 6273.3)
p = 6273 * 10 * 1(quality) * 1(loyalty) * 1.1(tech) * 1.2(racial special) = 82803p
c = 6273 * 1(loyalty) * 1.0(tech) = 6273
t = 0

24: (3,73,283,71,50, 50.6)
p = 50 * 10 * .73(quality) * .71(loyalty) * 1.1(tech) * 1.2(racial special) = 342p
c = 50 * .71(loyalty) * 1.0(tech) = 35c
t = 0

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Consumption
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1:
Ships = 0
Manufactories = 41400p= 414 manufactories
Terraforming = 0p
Technology = 41403*1.1(tech)=45543p
Loyalty = 0c
Environment Upkeep: c = 0
Total = 82803p + 0c

24:
Ships = 0
Manufactories = 0 = 0 manufactories
Terraforming = 2658c+342p
Technology = 0p
Loyalty = 950c
Environment Upkeep: c = 273
Total = 342p + 1223c

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Research
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10000 into Terraforming
10000 into Pop growth? Whatever.
15543 into Production
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Trade Routes
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None

Treasury
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Last turn balance: 39c
Colonial Income: 6308c
Trade income: 0c
Sub total: 6347c
Consumption: -3881c
Fleet Upkeep: -1200c
Interest: 0
Balance next turn: 1266
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Growth
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1: (10,100,175,100,6273, 6273.3)
Growth = Current pop*(0.05*1.1(tech)*1.2(race)-(.0005*enviro))= 414
Manufactory = 414
Terraforming = 0
Loyalty = 0
(10,100,175,100,6687, 6687.3)

24: (3,73,283,71,50, 50.6)
Growth = Current pop*(0.05*1.1(tech)*1.2(race)*.71(loyalty)-(.0005*enviro))=-0.4
Manufactory = 0
Terraforming = 2
Loyalty = 29
24: (3,73,281,100,50, 50.2)

[Nirur Torir]

Ship designs are free (limit 1 per turn per person), just PM me what you want.

[ggamer]

That's what i was thinking, lower someone's environment to kill the entire population without damaging infrastructure.

[Criptfeind]

Ship designs are free (limit 1 per turn per person), just PM me what you want.

Fiiiiiiiiixed.

[Nirur Torir]

Alright, due to popular demand, I figured out a way to make terraforming ships. They have a 33% inefficiency for production/terraforming, and are single-use. A FF model would have five terraforming points, able to change a size five world by one percent.

The alternative variety would require putting a cap on buying production to be equivalent to manufacturing capabilities at that world, and give specialized factory hulls that are only usable with money. It would not be pretty, and shall not be implemented.

[Vanigo]

So what happens at Orbital Terraforming II, or is there no such thing? You might, say, start it at 25% efficiency and work up from there (but certainly never any higher than 66%, and probably capping out lower).

[Nirur Torir]

Hmm. Yes, alright. They start at 33% efficiency, and increase by 10% efficiency (Multiplicative. Sorta. Tech 2 is .397 efficiency.) for each tech level. There is no cap, since my formula prevents it from ever reaching 100%.

[Vanigo]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Racial Stats:

+2 Research
+2 Production
+2 Loyalty Recovery
+2 Population Growth

-2 Terraforming
-2 Large Structures

Ideal environment: 190


Production
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/* colony number (Size, Quality, Environment, Loyalty, Manufactories, Population):
   Production(p) = manned manufactories x 10 x quality% x loyalty% + Trade received from last turn. See my turn post - It should be the same as their t, slightly further down, from last turn.
   Taxation(c) = mpopulation x loyalty%
        Trade: t = 20% of current production as credits. This will change as more trade routes are added.
   Remember taxation is halved under blockade
                                 */
2 (10,100,194,94,6006.2,6006):
   p = 5874 * 10 * 1(quality) * .94(loyalty) * 1.2(racial) *1.21 (tech)= 81974p
   c = 5874.2 * .94(loyalty) = 5645c
        t = 0
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Consumption
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/* colony number:
   Ships: p+c = number of ships or part thereof the Ship designation
   Manufactories: p+c = #of manufactories (1 per 100p/c)
   Terraforming: p+c = % improvement (1% per 500p/c * planet size)
   Technology: p+c
   Loyalty: c = % loyalty (1% per mpopulation /10 c)
   Environment upkeep: c = (|Ideal_Environment - Current_Environment|) / 20 * population(in millions)
                              */
1:
   Ships = 0p
   Manufactories = 32600p = 32600 = 326 manufactories
   Terraforming = 12500p * 0.8(racial penalty) =  10000 = 2% improvement next turn
   Technology = 36847p+1000c * 1.2 *1.1 = 49958
   Loyalty = 0
   Environment Upkeep: c = (|194-190|) / 20 * 6006.2 = 1202c /* Round to hurt yourself.
   Total = 54275p + 2202c
   
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Research
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15000p: Production III
10,000: Expanded marine transports
4,500p: Miniaturization I

20485p: PMed
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Trade Routes
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None

Treasury
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Last turn balance: 6915c
Colonial Income: 5645c
Consumption: -2202c
Trade income: 0c
Fleet Upkeep: -1800c /* you must not hide this value
Interest: -0c (negative c / 20)
Balance next turn: 8558c
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Growth
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2 (10,94,194,100,6006.2,6006):
   Growth = 6006.2 * (0.06 * .94 - (|195 - 190|) / 2000) = 326.7
   Manufactory = 326
   Terraforming = 2
   Loyalty = 6
   (10,100,192,100,6332.9,6332)

[Neyvn]

OK guys. I am starting to hurt myself here (Brain not functioning)
1: World Map movement. What is it???
2: My Growth. Growth = 6079.9*0.055*1(100)*((1-((|160-163|))/100) = 0.04) = 13.3 Is this correct??? Please note that the 163 is due to terraforming this turn.

[Criptfeind]

No your growth is not correct.

You do not use terraforming from this turn, and your environmental part is the old way of doing it.

[Nirur Torir]

1) Just give me a destination. Your current ships move two squares per turn, as they have two engine points. Diagonals count as much as horizontals.

2) growth_amount = (growth_rate(from tech and species bonus) * loyalty - (enviro_away_from_ideal * .0005) ) * pop

6079.9 * 0.055 - ((165-160) * .0005) = 334.3