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[Pan]

Narhiril, the evil races are too weak in this game in world gen. Nephilim and humans own shedim in world gen, and bog trolls are nowhere to be found. Could they be buffed up in any way? Most worlds are quite benign and friendly, with even elves owning shedim in world gen.

[Deon]

Wait, you have VOIDWALKERS? Sorry so much! I thought I came up with a unique name in Genesis 5, I will revise it!

[narhiril]

Narhiril, the evil races are too weak in this game in world gen. Nephilim and humans own shedim in world gen, and bog trolls are nowhere to be found. Could they be buffed up in any way? Most worlds are quite benign and friendly, with even elves owning shedim in world gen.

I've found that this is a difficult thing to tweak directly, and I'm still often left scratching my head as to why certain races seem to dominate.  I'm going to play around with the litter sizes and see if I can get it a little bit more balanced.

Is there a reason why glistening voidshard isn't magma-safe, balance or lore-wise?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

A metal that causes heart failure isn't that great for weaponizing against demons or forgotten beasts, either :c

Of course it's not great against demons, it's...  oh wait, I haven't revealed that yet.  Oops.

Woah! Suddenly LoFR turns from a crypt to the House of Parliament. Glad Narhiril's back What's the progress, if I may ask?

Getting close.  Still finishing up temple building materials, the new ritual transformation reactions, a few graphics, and a few other minor details.  Documentation also hasn't quite caught up with the newest features, so I'm pushing to get that done as well.  Honestly the most difficult part has been finding exactly where I left off on a lot of these things (I keep my own logs, but it's still a bit of a search), and that's mostly done now.  Barring any unforeseen events (meteor impact, plague, tsunami in the midwest, etc), I think it's fair to finally say I'm back on track here.

A few of the constructs planned for this update are going to be backlogged and finished after I can finish and release everything that's partially or almost done.  Right now, just mantises made it into the upcoming release, but expect tarantulas and scarabs to follow in the weeks after.  I'm also tossing around ideas for farming woody plants, but that won't make it into this update.

Spoiler: Projected update notes (subject to modification) (click to show/hide)

-Fixed an issue preventing stonekin and zephyrs from being able to buff other ritual units in some cases. 
-The obstacle course has received a much-needed makeover. 
-The meowkin can now use and manufacture iron products. 

-Removed all prior material costs for ceremonial transformations: these reactions will now use "symbols" of favor, which can be obtained from new prayer reactions at each temple. 

-Added iron dwarven spiders. 
-Added slimers - a benign domestic creature that will be used as a transformation platform for more advanced dwarven mechanical constructs. 
-Removed the reaction to prepare the "ceremonial bath of Temanat," as it is now obsolete. 
-The "prayer for ritual metals" has been renamed simply to the "prayer for metals." 
-The "prayer for ritual gems" has been renamed to the "prayer for glass," and has had its products altered accordingly. 
-Added the Temple of Light. 
-Added the Temple of Shadows. 
-The cost for producing dwarven spider control modules has been reduced to require fewer lustrum rocks and capacitors. 
-Voidwalker mistshrouds can now block incoming debuffs 1/4th of the time. 
-Added lizardman mystics, which can block incoming debuffs as well. 
-Magnetic dart launcher and upgraded crossbow production reactions now use the bowyer skill instead of the weaponsmithing skill. 
-Magnetic dart production reactions now use the furnace operator skill rather than the weaponsmithing skill (same as javelins). 
-Fixed a few typos here and there (thanks katana for the help). 
-Tweaked the foundry to now produce the appropriate number of stone blocks per stone (thanks... somebody, I'll find you, I promise).
-Added iron dwarven mantises, and associated research/transcription reactions. 
-Added dwarven umbrals and radiant priests.

The change in bold is one that I can't recall if I've discussed at any length or not.  Basically, I'm scrapping the material components of transformations, and making the only necessary component available through prayer.  The more your dwarves pray to a god, the more chances you get to make that god's ritual units.  It makes a lot more sense and should be a lot less frustrating that way.

[Pan]

Narhiril, the full preinstalled version has your test embark profiles here and there, and pre-world gen settings all saved. Just an observation.

And looking forward to the release!

[katana]

I like the idea of the prayers, the current system is frustrating with dwarves giving up on hauling everything to the ritual or just plain not having materials because I'm doing something else with them.

Giving the shedim a truly terrifying caste that would actually require an army to kill would be interesting, and probably let them stomp on others in worldgen.

EDIT: Fun fact- blessed dwarves will give birth to blessed children. BABY OF LEMOX.

[fire1666]

I like the idea of the prayers, the current system is frustrating with dwarves giving up on hauling everything to the ritual or just plain not having materials because I'm doing something else with them.

Giving the shedim a truly terrifying caste that would actually require an army to kill would be interesting, and probably let them stomp on others in worldgen.

EDIT: Fun fact- blessed dwarves will give birth to blessed children. BABY OF LEMOX.

Like a biological tank or mech?
I had a simular idea for the voidies, a Void-distructor a voidwalker with absurd melee capabilitys but very fragile at range or very fragile without armour

[katana]

I like the idea of the prayers, the current system is frustrating with dwarves giving up on hauling everything to the ritual or just plain not having materials because I'm doing something else with them.

Giving the shedim a truly terrifying caste that would actually require an army to kill would be interesting, and probably let them stomp on others in worldgen.

EDIT: Fun fact- blessed dwarves will give birth to blessed children. BABY OF LEMOX.

Like a biological tank or mech?
I had a simular idea for the voidies, a Void-distructor a voidwalker with absurd melee capabilitys but very fragile at range or very fragile without armour

Absurd melee capabilities in this game mean being untouchable (say, legendary+20 dodging natural skill level). Being fragile at a range while absurdly powerful in melee isn't possible because of weapon parries being based on melee skill level. Being fragile without armor would mean that all you'd need is two dwarves and it'd go down easily because it can't instantly attack two dwarves at the same time (with a weapon).

You know what enemies are missing? Webs and heavy armor. Webs to make ranged weapons a necessity (ever fought a giant cave spider? Full legendary elite squads can't rush one). Extremely heavy armor that shrugs off bolts without problem, and protects the entire body with one piece of armor (hadrine plate robe?) so enemy civs won't come half-armored. For added evil, combine both

Seriously though- a web spewing shedim could be interesting.

[Stirk]

Absurd melee capabilities in this game mean being untouchable (say, legendary+20 dodging natural skill level)

Last I checked, it only goes up to +5.

Being fragile at a range while absurdly powerful in melee isn't possible because of weapon parries being based on melee skill level.

Actually it is really easy. Being made out of steel, for example, would make you immune to all weapons below steel. But in range, you would still be vulnerable to even wooden bolts.

Being fragile without armor would mean that all you'd need is two dwarves and it'd go down easily because it can't instantly attack two dwarves at the same time (with a weapon).

Wha....What? It would have armor on. Go to the arena and put a dwarf in adamantine armor against two dwarves with steel weapons and lets see what happens.

Have...Have you ever played dwarf fortress before?

You know what enemies are missing? Webs and heavy armor. Webs to make ranged weapons a necessity (ever fought a giant cave spider? Full legendary elite squads can't rush one).

Why webs? Just why?

Extremely heavy armor that shrugs off bolts without problem, and protects the entire body with one piece of armor (hadrine plate robe?) so enemy civs won't come half-armored.

Now take that dwarf in full adamantine armor and put him against a single dwarf with a crossbow and wooden bolts. Notice how it doesn't block anything. At all.

Do you even know how the armor system works in dwarf fortress?

[katana]

Now take that dwarf in full adamantine armor and put him against a single dwarf with a crossbow and wooden bolts. Notice how it doesn't block anything. At all.

Do you even know how the armor system works in dwarf fortress?

I know I've sworn to ignore you, but seriously. Crossbow research thread.

[Stirk]

I know I've sworn to ignore you, but seriously. Crossbow research thread.

Apparently you are not very good at swearing things. Or researching things.


The flying mangrove bolt strikes Dwarf 2 in the upper leg, chipping the bone threw the small adamantine chain leggings!

The flying mangrove bolt striked Dwarf 2 in the upper body, tearing the muscle and tearing the liver threw the small adamantine breast plate!

Etc. Etc.

[katana]

Now we know why your other forum kicked you out.

[Xantalos]

I'm definetely putting this in my 'to be downloaded' list.

[Stirk]

Now we know why your other forum kicked you out.

It has to do with the forum directors wife, the FBI, and something I did with your mom. Feel free to interpret that as you will.

[narhiril]

Ranged weapons don't seem to obey the laws of physics in DF.  You can have a steel bolt deflected by a cloth robe, or a bone bolt penetrate an adamantine plate.  It's actually quite frustrating from a balancing perspective.

I've heard that increasing the contact area of bolts to 10-20 works to significantly lower the frequency of these events.  I can very easily include this as an optional component.

[Pan]

Marksdwarf killed a cavedragon with wood bolts. One shotted the wing and it passed out. Bolts are overpowered.

Anyone else seen a crystal dragon, yet? Or a cannon beetle? Interesting creatures I have never seen before