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"dwarves" not "dwarfs"
« on: May 02, 2011, 05:07:04 pm »

Come on people, it's "dwarves" not "dwarfs". Didn't anyone read Tolkien?

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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 09:31:37 pm »

I thought so too; Google translator says "dwarfs" is accurate though  ???
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 09:33:06 pm »

Both spellings are acceptable in typical English.

However, DF uses "dwarves", therefore the wiki should as well, as a matter of course.
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Re: "dwarves" not "dwarfs"
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 09:47:12 pm »

And I thought it was Dorfs.
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Re: "dwarves" not "dwarfs"
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2011, 09:55:10 pm »

Come on people, it's "dwarves" not "dwarfs". Didn't anyone read Tolkien?

Come on people, its "dwarfs" not "dwarves". Doesn't anyone watch timelessly classic movies.
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Re: "dwarves" not "dwarfs"
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2011, 10:06:21 pm »

Come on people, it's "dwarves" not "dwarfs". Didn't anyone read Tolkien?

Come on people, its "dwarfs" not "dwarves". Doesn't anyone watch timelessly classic movies.

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[CREATURE:DWARF]
[DESCRIPTION:A short, sturdy creature fond of drink and industry.]
[NAME:dwarf:dwarves:dwarven]

[NAME:dwarf:dwarves:dwarven]

Dwarves.
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2011, 10:25:14 pm »

Noting that Tolkien's spelling was the exception.  It was, IIRC, based upon his own (educated- but yet) cod-linguistic inventions with which he flavoured his writings, although he had also pegged "dwarrows" as a historic and irregular plural form within his own universe.

And Tolkien is of course the grand-daddy of a lot of dwarf-heavy fiction.  Not including SW&t7Ds.

Also note that Pratchett deliberately goes with "dwarfs", in what I think is part of his "Discworld being an antidote to the overdose of Tolkien clones" idea, but that might be reading too much into two otherwise separate concepts.


Obviously, whatever the raws says should go, on the whole, but as I'll still use '-ise' words, talk of 'colours' and other Anglicisations that Toady uses the Merkin versions of, when writing about DF, so it's a short hop to (perhaps inconsistently) using the f-based variants instead of the v-based ones.
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Re: "dwarves" not "dwarfs"
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2011, 10:26:18 pm »

I agree that "dwarfs" is valid english, but if disney spells it that way then that's reason enough not to use it :)
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 02:40:39 pm »

To hell with all of that "Dwarfs" sounds cooler. "Dwarves" sounds to much like pussy-Elves.
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 04:54:30 pm »

elfs/elves is exactly the same situation vis a vis tolkien.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2011, 07:14:14 am »

Meh, I always say: Dwarfs, Elves. The sound in 'Dwarfs' is shorter and slightly more gruff as befits our subterranean friends while 'Elves' sounds as if something tall and slimy slithered past. Which makes me think of hippies.
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2011, 07:04:34 pm »

I'm not sure why this is still an issue. The game uses "dwarves" and "elves", therefore we should use the same nomenclature when talking about the game. There is no argument to be had here.
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Re: "dwarves" not "dwarfs"
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2011, 07:12:08 pm »

I think people are just talking for amusement purposes at this point.

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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2011, 11:35:47 am »

Come on people, it's "dwarves" not "dwarfs". Didn't anyone read Tolkien?
Tolkien said they are both wrong... According to him it should have been Dwerrow or something like that. IIRC he changed it because his editor wanted him to.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2011, 11:39:37 am »

I'm not sure why this is still an issue. The game uses "dwarves" and "elves", therefore we should use the same nomenclature when talking about the game. There is no argument to be had here.
Presumptuous nonsense. You can call them whatever you want, doesn't matter if the game uses it.



Also @ Op; this is clearly not Middle-Earth.



And I think Pratchett is a much cooler author than Tolkien. :P
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