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[Orb]

So, trade. Let me get this straight.

I sell 20% of my P at 1/2 credit per P to another planet. That planet receives that P. The planet I sold to(which is identicle), sells 20% of its P at 1/2 a credit per P, which I get.

So, in the end, the trade route produces 10% of my P as money, without me actually losing any.

Also, changed my race again due to the 8 limit.

[ggamer]

ah.

(this is made under the assumption that each manufactory produces one point)

Spoiler: turn 1 (click to show/hide)

Movement
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/* if you want to play openly. You should give this to me via PM at all costs!)
6,9
   Fleet 1
      DD Duke 1 (16/16)
      DD Duke 2 (16/16)
      DD Duke 3 (16/16)
      DD Duke 4 (16/16)
      CL Lander (9/9)
      Move 4,25
      Attack 9
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Production
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5 (10;1.00;1.00;5,000;5,000,000,000)

   p = 5,000 x 10 x 1.00 x 1.00 = 50,000p
   c = 5,000 x 1.00
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Consumption
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5:
   Ships: 10,000p = 10,000/10,000 DD Duke
   Manufactories 20,000p = 200 manufactories
   Terraforming = 0p
   Technology = 10,000p x 1.10 = 11,000
   Loyalty = 0c
   Environment Upkeep: 0c
   Total = 50,000p + 0c
   
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Research
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5,000 into researching FR Naiomi (6,000p, 10HP, Movement 3, Beam 2)
6,000 into researching Heavy spike rifles (marine attack +2)
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Trade
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Absolutely nothing.

Treasury
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Carried forward: 5,000c
Colonial Income: 5,000c
Consumption: -0c
Trade cf last turn: 0c
Fleet Upkeep: 1500c
Interest: -0c
Balance next turn: 8500c
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Growth
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5 (10,1.00,1.00,5000,5000000000):
   Growth = 4% x 1.00 x 1.00 = 4% = 200,000,000
   Manufactory = 200
   Terraforming = 0
   Loyalty = 0

[Criptfeind]

They each make then, but your turn is good because you already have the times 10 in your calculations.

[evilcherry]

So, trade. Let me get this straight.

I sell 20% of my P at 1/2 credit per P to another planet. That planet receives that P. The planet I sold to(which is identicle), sells 20% of its P at 1/2 a credit per P, which I get.

So, in the end, the trade route produces 10% of my P as money, without me actually losing any.

Also, changed my race again due to the 8 limit.

Not exactly. To try explaining that more clearly:

For 1 trade route, You magically got 20% more production (to simulate comparative advantage). You Sell them to the other side, and the other side get that production. That is, if you produce 50000p, you get extra 1000c, and the other side get extra 10000p.
The other side also does that, so if his production is similar, you get another 10000p, he get 1000c. Fair deal.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, if you sell all of your 50000p, not only you got 5000c, you also got 2500c as a bonus. The other side gets another 2500c from thin air.

Values calculated this are awarded next turn, since you do not exactly know what production you get from the other side in real time.
The only exception is that when a trade route is broken/blockaded , you will immediate lose its benefits.

[Orb]

Ok. What does a disadvantage in trade do? For instance, I have a -1 to trade.

Spoiler: Turn 1 (click to show/hide)

Movement

22,3
1st Fleet
  4 DD Duke [45/45]
     Hold
2nd Fleet
  DD Lander 1 [10/10]
      Hold

Production

42 (10,100,100,100,5000,5000):
Production(p)= 5000 x 10 x 100% x 100% x 1.2(bonus) = 60,000
Taxation(c)= 5000 x 100% = 5,000


Consumption

42:
Ships: 45,000p = 45,000/45,000 3 DD Landers
Manufactories: 14,960p = 187 Manufactories
Terraforming: 0p
Technology: 0p
Loyalty: 0c
Enviromental Upkeep: 0c
Total: 59,960p + 0c

Research

None

Trade

None

Treasury

Carried Forward: 5000c
Colonial Income: 5004c
Consumption: 0c
Fleet Upkeep: 1,500c
Interest: 0c
Balance next turn: 8,504c

Growth

42 (10,100,100,100,5000,5000):
Growth= 4% x 1.0 x 1.0 x 5000 = 5200
Manufactory = 187
Terraforming = 0
Loyalty = 0
(10,100,100,100, 5187, 5200)

[Criptfeind]

Most likely you take the bonuses you get from it and subtract 10%

[evilcherry]

To make myself clear, and save answering the same thing over and over again:

DD Dukes CANNOT bombard, unless what you wanted is to perform a destroyer drop.

Additionally, I have received moves from Ahra (which I needed to make a few corrections), Nirur Torir and Knave via PMs, and Open moves from Orb, ggamer, CF. waiting for adwarf and Iituem.

[Iituem]

This... turn template is a little confusing.  It's going to take me a bit of time to figure it out.

Edit:  Yeah, you're getting my turn tomorrow.  I'll need to take time to re-read through all the rules to get this, I'm afraid.

If it helps, all I was planning to do was move Dukes 2,3,4 and Lander 1 to Planet 51 with about 1.7 million marines.  Unfortunately, since we don't have that many troop transports (17) I'd probably just put all my manufacturing into producing more troop transports.

[adwarf]

Turn 0

Nothing I wait.

[Criptfeind]

You still have to do book keeping on growth and stuff.

[Nirur Torir]

Turn 0

Nothing I wait.

You really should use your production, or 90% of it is wasted. (Note: I realize that there are uses for producing wealth, but NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER on the first turn in a 4x game. NEVER!)

[evilcherry]

Turn 0

Nothing I wait.

You really should use your production, or 90% of it is wasted. (Note: I realize that there are uses for producing wealth, but NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER on the first turn in a 4x game. NEVER!)

Worse, its 92% for him.

[Nirur Torir]

Adwarf, I certainly won't do this every time, but if you need your basic turn layout to get you started, here it is:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

+ 2 Production
+ 2 Trade
+ 2 Taxation
- 2  Investment

Movement
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(3,3)
   Fleet 1
      DD Duke 1 (15/15)
      DD Duke 2 (15/15)
      DD Duke 3 (15/15)
      DD Duke 4 (15/15)
      DD Lander (10/10)
      Hold

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Production
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35 (10,100,100,100,5000,5000):
   p = 5000 * 10 * 100% * 120% = 60000
   c = 5000 * 100% * 120% = 6000

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Consumption
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/* colony number:
   Ships: p+c = number of ships or part thereof the Ship designation
   Manufactories: p+c = #of manufactories (1 per 100p/c)
   Terraforming: p+c = % improvement (1% per 10000p/c x planet size)
   Technology: p+c (c<=p)
   Loyalty: c = % loyalty (1% per mpopulation /10 c)
   Environment upkeep: c = 5 x (1-environment) x population/1m
                              */
35:
   Ships = ?
   Manufactories 25,000p = 250 manufactories
   Terraforming = 0
   Technology = ?
   Loyalty = 0
   Environment Upkeep: 0
   Total = 25,000p
   
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Research
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Research something here!

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Trade
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Not yet.

Treasury
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Carried forward: 5000c
Colonial Income: 6000c
Consumption: 0c
Trade cf last turn: 0c
Fleet Upkeep: 1500c
Interest: 0
Balance next turn: 9500c
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Growth
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1 (10,100,100,100,5000,5000):
   Growth = 5% x 100% x 100% * 5000 = 5250
   Manufactory = 250
   Terraforming = 0
   Loyalty = 0
   (10,100,100,100,5250,5250)

You have 35,000 production left to spend on research or ships.

[Knave]

wow, Nirur, you certainly are a gentleman! Good on you.

[Criptfeind]

Alright. I changed my turn. I would need many more landers to do what I wanted at first, so I will hold off for now changed my research goals