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[adwarf]

Spoiler: Thanks to Nirur my real turn (click to show/hide)

+ 2 Production
+ 2 Trade
+ 2 Taxation
- 2  Investment

Movement
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(3,3)
   Fleet 1
      DD Duke 1 (15/15)
      DD Duke 2 (15/15)
      DD Duke 3 (15/15)
      DD Duke 4 (15/15)
      DD Lander (10/10)
      Hold

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Production
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35 (10,100,100,100,5000,5000):
   p = 5000 * 10 * 100% * 120% = 60000
   c = 5000 * 100% * 120% = 6000

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Consumption
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/* colony number:
   Ships: p+c = number of ships or part thereof the Ship designation
   Manufactories: p+c = #of manufactories (1 per 100p/c)
   Terraforming: p+c = % improvement (1% per 10000p/c x planet size)
   Technology: p+c (c<=p)
   Loyalty: c = % loyalty (1% per mpopulation /10 c)
   Environment upkeep: c = 5 x (1-environment) x population/1m
                              */
35:
   Ships = ?
   Manufactories 25,000p = 250 manufactories
   Terraforming = 0
   Technology = ?
   Loyalty = 0
   Environment Upkeep: 0
   Total = 25,000p
   
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Research
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35,000 into Advanced Teraforming

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Trade
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Not yet.

Treasury
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Carried forward: 5000c
Colonial Income: 6000c
Consumption: 0c
Trade cf last turn: 0c
Fleet Upkeep: 1500c
Interest: 0
Balance next turn: 9500c
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Growth
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1 (10,100,100,100,5000,5000):
   Growth = 5% x 100% x 100% * 5000 = 5250
   Manufactory = 250
   Terraforming = 0
   Loyalty = 0
   (10,100,100,100,5250,5250)

[Criptfeind]

Would it be to late to switch some of bonuses and penalties around?

[evilcherry]

Would it be to late to switch some of bonuses and penalties around?

One last chance.

[Criptfeind]

Alright. Fixed race and fixed turn.

[evilcherry]

Iituem, I'm still waiting for you.

-Minor Mechanic change to make players' lives easier-

For next turn onwards, I'll provide you with:

Your production;
Your population growth;
Your upkeep.

That means we will arrive at a turn structure very similar to FaW/PaW.
However, combat still takes place on the next turn (after they've met).

[Iituem]

Assets

4 DD Dukes
1 DD Lander
5000c

Movement

Planet 18: Hold back Duke 1 to defend.

Dukes 2-4, Lander 1 to move to Planet 51, conduct planetary assault.

Production

Planet 18 (Size 10, Qual 100, Env 100, Loy 100, Manf. 5000, Pop 5000)
  Manf x Qual x 10 x Loyal = 50,000p
  Pop x Loy = 5000c

Consumption and Development

Planet 18
 Ships:  3 DD Landers = 45,000p
 Manufactories:  112 manufactories @ 120% cost = 13440 = 5000p + 8440c

Research

-

Trade

Treasury

Carried Forward: 5000c
Colonial Income: 5000c
Consumption: 8440c
Trade cf last turn: 0c
Fleet Upkeep: 1500c
Interest: 0
Balance Next Turn: 6c

Growth

Planet 18:
 Growth = 5% x 100% x 100% x 5000 = 5250
 Manufactories: +112
 Terraforming: 0
 Loyalty: 0
 (10, 100, 100, 100, 5112, 5250)

[evilcherry]

HAMMERED.

[evilcherry]

World Map


note: #51 was NOT owned by Iituem.

World News:
Nothing of note...

Spoiler: ggamer (click to show/hide)

Invasion of Planet 9 (4,25).
Defiance forces amounted 100000 invades a planet defended by 66000 Local forces.
The Local Force attacks the enemy by 210881 and the defender mitigates 112068 damage, causing 9881 casulties.
The Defiance Force attacks the enemy by 307295 and the defender mitigates 110664 damage, causing 19663 casulties.
The Local Force attacks the enemy by 41225 and the defender mitigates 12246 damage, causing 2897 casulties.
The Defiance Force attacks the enemy by 178129 and the defender mitigates 16755 damage, causing 16137 casulties.
The Local Force attacks the enemy by 150810 and the defender mitigates 73264 damage, causing 7754 casulties.
The Defiance Force attacks the enemy by 275699 and the defender mitigates 8480 damage, causing 26721 casulties.
The Local forces of 3479 retreated!
Despite a final valiant display, the Defiance forces utterly crushed the opposition. With Some 80% of the forces are still standing, showing that a small difference in numbers can overwhelm the enemy. Exterminate, or occupy?

Research
Research has been distributed evenly in two areas: Faster engines, and more effective Infantry weapons. A new infantry rifle has been well into the prototype stage, but just fell short of a mass-produced model. On the other hand, the new engine has never left the drawing board save a few non-working parts.

Colonial Growth and production                                                   

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# Size Qua Env Loy Man Pop New Env New Loy New Man New Pop C P
5 10 100 100 100 5000 5000 100 100 5200 5225 5225 52000
                                                      
Ships:

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Ships X Y Damaged
DD Duke 4 25 N
DD Duke 4 25 N
DD Duke 4 25 N
DD Duke 4 25 N
DD Duke 2 25 N
DD Lander 4 25 Y

Income statement (zeros not shown)
Income Statement      
Previous turn      8500
Colonial income      5225
Fleet Upkeep      -1500
Next Turn      12225

Spoiler: Knave (click to show/hide)

Research
Success! Not wanting to be left behind by the other major powers, a new infantry weapon was developed.
New Technology:
Improved Ground Combat I
Improves ground combat attack by 15%

Colonial Growth and production                                                

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# Size Qua Env Loy Man Pop New Env New Loy New Man New Pop C P
30 10 100 100 100 5000 5000 100 100 5100 5275 6330 61200

Ships

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Ships X Y Damaged
DD Duke 14 24 N
DD Duke 14 24 N
DD Duke 14 24 N
DD Duke 14 24 N
DD Lander 14 24 N
DD Lander 14 24 N
DD Lander 14 24 N
DD Lander 14 24 N
Income Statement      
Previous turn      9500
Colonial income      6330
Fleet Upkeep      -2400
Next Turn         13430

Spoiler: Criptfeind (click to show/hide)

Research
Success is varied and limited. While the queen has successfully altered the reproductive makeup of her hive duchesses (for lack of a better term), experiments for better solider drones ended up with some serious coordination malfunctions, and a heavy, novel kind of drone which can survive reentry and bring forth damage not unlike a meteor, fell apart under its own weight.
New Tecnology:
Bioengineering I
Population growth +5%

Colonial Growth and production   

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# Size Qua Env Loy Man Pop New Env New Loy New Man New Pop C P
48 10 100 100 100 5000 5000 100 100 5300 5300 5300 63600
Ships

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Ships X Y Damaged
DD Duke 24 18 N
DD Duke 24 18 N
DD Duke 24 18 N
DD Duke 24 18 N
DD Lander 24 18 N
DD Lander 24 18 N
Income Statement      
Previous turn      8500
Colonial income      5300
Fleet Upkeep      -1800
Next Turn      12000

Spoiler: Nurir Torir (click to show/hide)

Research
A general success. Intelligent platforms surrounding the planet was designed, according to schedule. Some excess resources is diverted to the design of a working laser array cannon to be put onto these platforms, but the design office soon complained of insufficient resources.
New Technology:
Combat Satellites
Allows the construction of Combat Satellites.
(note: You still lack a weapon technology).
Colonial Growth and production

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# Size Qua Env Loy Man Pop New Env New Loy New Man New Pop C P
57 10 100 100 100 5000 5000 100 100 5300.0072 5300 5300 63600
Ships

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Ships X Y Damaged
DD Duke 25 8 N
DD Duke 25 8 N
DD Duke 25 8 N
DD Duke 25 8 N
DD Lander 25 8 N
CL Trader 25 8 N

Income Statement      
Previous turn      1208
Colonial income      5300
Fleet Upkeep      -2100
Next Turn      4408

Spoiler: Orb (click to show/hide)

Colonial Growth and production

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# Size Qua Env Loy Man Pop New Env New Loy New Man New Pop C P
42 10 100 100 100 5000 5000 100 100 5179.52 5200 5200 62160
Ships

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Ships X Y Damaged
DD Duke 22 3 N
DD Duke 22 3 N
DD Duke 22 3 N
DD Duke 22 3 N
DD Lander 22 3 N
DD Lander 22 3 N
DD Lander 22 3 N
DD Lander 22 3 N
Previous turn      8504
Colonial income      5200
Fleet Upkeep      -2400
Next Turn      11304

Spoiler: Ahra (click to show/hide)

Research
It was expected. Such puny investment became a few coils, capacitors and scrap metal, but generally useless.

Colonial Growth and production

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# Size Qua Env Loy Man Pop New Env New Loy New Man New Pop C P
59 10 100 100 100 5000 5000 100 100 5000 5225 5225 50000
Ships

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Ships X Y Damaged
DD Duke 10 0 N
DD Duke 10 0 N
DD Duke 10 0 N
DD Duke 10 0 N
DD Duke 10 0 N
DD Duke 10 0 N
DD Lander 10 0 N
Income Statement      
Previous turn      8500
Sold         2900
Colonial income      5225
Fleet Upkeep      -2100
Next Turn      14525

Important note
As you can see, falling behind in production kills. Try NOT to commit the same mistake again!

Spoiler: adwarf (click to show/hide)

Adwarf

Research
Enormous resources poured into research is enormous technological success. Your armies of bioengineers simply forced through the problems as they were not there.
New Technology!
Terraforming I
Effectiveness of terraforming increased by 10%.
Terraforming II
Effectiveness of terraforming increased by 15%.

Colonial Growth and production

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# Size Qua Env Loy Man Pop New Env New Loy New Man New Pop C P
35 10 100 100 100 5000 5000 100 100 5250 5250 6300 63000
Ships

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Ships X Y Damaged
DD Duke 3 3 N
DD Duke 3 3 N
DD Duke 3 3 N
DD Duke 3 3 N
DD Lander 3 3 N
Income Statement      
Previous turn      9500
Colonial income      6300
Fleet Upkeep      -1500
Next Turn      14300

Spoiler: Iituem (click to show/hide)

Iituem
Invasion of Planet 51 (3,11)
Defiance forces amounted 100000 invades a planet defended by 822000 Local forces.
The Local Force attacks the enemy by 1339967 and the defender mitigates 39628 damage, causing 130033 casulties.
The Defiance forces was annihilated!

In fact, the plants never made it past the atmosphere. The lander craft was not hurt in orbit, but 100000 souls perished in this debacle.

Colonial Growth and production

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# Size Qua Env Loy Man Pop New Env New Loy New Man New Pop C P
18 10 100 100 100 5000 5000 100 100 5104 5250 5250 51040
Ships

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Ships X Y Damaged
DD Duke 3 11 N
DD Duke 3 11 N
DD Duke 3 11 N
DD Duke 1 13 N
DD Lander 3 11 Y
DD Lander 1 13 N
DD Lander 1 13 N
DD Lander 1 13 N
Income Statement      
Previous turn      6
Colonial income      5250
Fleet Upkeep      -2400
Next Turn      2856

Spoiler: New Technologies! (click to show/hide)

Terraforming I
Effectiveness of terraforming increased by 10%.
Terraforming II
Effectiveness of terraforming increased by 15%.

Combat Satellites
Allows the construction of Combat Satellites.

Bioengineering I
Population growth +5%

Spoiler: New Ships! (click to show/hide)

Unless you can fit true weapons, no.

Spoiler: Mechanics changes, polls and stuff (click to show/hide)

Balancing Changes (applied immediately)

Terraforming: Per 2p x 1000 x planet size you can improve the planet environment by 1%. Maximum investment per turn is capped at equivalent to 10% quality increase, before applying bonuses.
(that is, 20% of original value. Original was just too expensive.)
After a battle, no matter which side wins, population will decrease by 100x soliders killed (as in the worked example).Reverted to 10x, bad arithmetic on my side.

Turn order change
With the streamlining of turns (production and growth handled by me), you effectively gained 1 turn of tax (after upkeep). You also know how much production you are going to have this turn, reducing lots of hassle (and brain cell death).

Extermination/occupation
Newly conquered world will not produce or grow for 1 turn, as it is awaiting your order to select the action taken. As a consequence they do not require upkeep either. They’ll continue to grow (and cost you) from the next turn.

Polls:
It seems that population growth and production bonuses are overpowered, especially compounded over time. I propose nerfing them to half the bonus(and deficit), effective from next turn. By Simple majority, if anyone objects.

Please check for obvious errors, like ships that should be built has not been built.

p.s. Forgot that Ahra sold an impressive 2900c for his war chest. Oh my...

[Nirur Torir]

Um, is that map correct? +20% attack and defense allow a force to win against 1:8.2 odds?

[evilcherry]

Um, is that map correct? +20% attack and defense allow a force to win against 1:8.2 odds?

Yes, I forgot an extra zero. Now his forces were squarely repelled...

[Iituem]

And this is why I need to double-check my turn before I submit it, I didn't even plan to send the troops this turn because I didn't have enough of them.  Oh well.

[Criptfeind]

At any rate. I am against changing how pop and production work. Since there is a upper limit on both, the compounding only saves like three turns (IE: About 1/5) before you hit the max anyway. After a planet is maxed, the only thing that helps is production, which sure, +20% is nice, but, when your ships are being crushed and your need that much higher land forces to repel attacks, it is not going to matter.

[Orb]

Its only the first turn. Since the map is so varied in its planets, I would say the map is unbalanced.


In the end, research seems to boost a lot, so a few techs and my industrial advantage is useless. Their own advantages allowed them to outpace my research.

I would change my benefits if I only got a +5% per "point".

Also, would you mind explaining how research works? How can it spill over, if its a "%" chance of success?

(production points invested)/(Base Difficulty - modifiers)

I interpret this meaning "Production points invested" Divided by "Final difficulty" = Percent. Then you roll a die or something.

I also seem to be missing about a half dozen manufactories on my main world. Is this to suggest that manufactories must be rebuilt?

"Edit" Lituem owns planet 51?

[Criptfeind]

Maybe anything that makes it over 100% likely goes towards the next increase.

Edit: And yeah. Tech does quite frankly seem over powered.

[evilcherry]

Maybe anything that makes it over 100% likely goes towards the next increase.

Exactly. You'll never know the internal numbers though.