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[Darvi]

LNCP, is there a reason you quoted me?

[ToonyMan]

Sigh, well, here's a question for everybody voting Breadbocks.  Are you all going to keep your vote on Breadbocks after the replacement comes in?

[Toaster]

Toony:

Sigh, well, here's a question for everybody voting Breadbocks.  Are you all going to keep your vote on Breadbocks after the replacement comes in?

I find this indirect defense of Breadbocks highly suspicious.

"Hey everyone, don't forget to unvote him when he gets replaced!"

What scummy things he's done are done.


Joker:  Why don't you like having the most votes on someone who asked for a replacement (after he got said votes?)

Who do you suspect now?

[lordnincompoop]

LNCP, is there a reason you quoted me?

No, actually.

[Leafsnail]

I shall sub in for Breadbocks!  After all, it's no fun unless the guy you're subbing in for is on death's door.

[Mephansteras]

Thanks, Leaf! Role PM has been sent.

[lordnincompoop]

Welcome, Leafsnail. I trust you've been filled in? Any comments on breadbocks' play?

[Jim Groovester]

Sigh, well, here's a question for everybody voting Breadbocks.  Are you all going to keep your vote on Breadbocks after the replacement comes in?

Yes.

Why do you care?

[Leafsnail]

Firstly: I am a kook.

Anyway, so, I subbed in assuming that breadbocks had done something horrifically scummy in order to get 5 votes.  I read, and find that... with one exception, every vote that is now on me is stupid.  Really, really stupid.  So I guess the next thing for me to do is to expose the stupidity.

Spoiler: Dariush (click to show/hide)

Here, he is purposfully asinine about definitions, something which I think he did just to attempt to throw confusion into the mix.

Wow, trying to clear up confusion that would have led us all on a pointless argument is 'asinine'?

Daaaaaw, he's being spiteful for the sake of activelurking! How utterly scummy!

Activelurking? THIRTEEN minutes after my last post?! I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.

Ok, so, Dariush's attack starts badly.  He makes two minor criticisms of breadbocks' post (one of which is incorrect - the whole point of active lurking is that you are ACTIVE but not really saying anything).

And to finish it off, the last we've seen of him has been a weak attempt at trying to call me out for stating the facts.

Stating the facts

and

I'm pretty certain Dariush is scum

are two very different things.

...And then he goes on to attack what seems to be a technicality.  Unless Dariush is somehow saying that saying "Dariush is scum" is a devastating scumtell.  Oh well, the final bit before his vote must be a devastating conclusion, right?

You seriously felt the need to vote for me again, just for the sake of it (even though your vote was already on me) and didn't even bother getting my nickname right?

Whatever, call it WIFOM or however you like, but breadbocks's hopeless attempts at tunneling me have gotten beyond ridiculous.

...Oh wait no, it's stupid.  I can see absolutely no logical process behind this vote at all.  As far as I can tell, it goes "You accidentally revoted me.  Therefore I will randomly mention the word WIFOM and vote you for tunnelling".  This is blatantly a stupid, OMGUSy vote, although since Dariush is prone to stupid play it's not necessarily a scumtell.

Goddammit. I've carefully explained why his every point is wrong. Still, you call my answer a mild excuse for a bandwagon vote. It looks like you just saw breadbocks's name in red from my post, ignored everything else and called it a bandwagon.

A weird response.  You still give no explanation at all why you think/ thought Breadbocks is scum, instead insisting you "explained why his every point is wrong".  Well, even if you did (you didn't), why would that make him scum?

Conclusion: Dariush's vote on me is stupid, and he should either remove it or make up a better excuse to vote me.

Spoiler: lordnincompoop (click to show/hide)

breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?

So, uh... yeah.  Lordnincompoop goes on to develop his unchanged randomvote with...

And why would you lie like that, eh?

Good job on dodging the question, by the way. Now, who are you really going to nightkill?

And while I'm at it, What about your vote? You've got the OMGUS so far, but you're not exactly racking it up against him. Going to build something substatial, or do you not want to get your hands dirty?

...Joking response and hypocrisy.  Apparently breadbocks needs a completely solid case at this point, but it's fine for lordnincompoop to be casually sitting around on a jokevote.  Oh well, you must get better later...

breadbocks, your vote is on Dariush but you've done nothing to pressure him. There's no visible attempt to build your case, which you've apparently been doing all along. Mind if we see some of that progress?

No, wait, you're still pushing the same point.  Apparently again breadbocks needs a devastating case on Dariush while you can sit around on your jokevote without even making an argument as to why you think the person you're voting is scum.

You then voted for Darius on an OMGUS case, and never questioned him afterward. You're supposed to scumhunt, breadbocks. I highly doubt you can nail scum unerringly with the very first tell, and you know this as much as I do.

Hehe.  Spoken like someone absolutely convinced that noone will ever go back and read all of his posts.

On a more serious note, your accusation is all over the place.  First it was not making a good argument that Dariush was scum, then it was not enough pressure, then it was asking questions without doing anything with them, then it was for not questioning at all.  What exactly were you accusing breadbocks of, and why exactly do you regard it as a scumtell?

This is possibly the worst argument I've heard all day.

Try again.

I think breadbock's point was completely valid, although not really a scumtell so much as a "Dariush is being an idiot" tell.  In any case, making a bad argument doesn't make someone scum.

Please point to the spot where you stated a fact, because for the life of me I cannot find it. You stated an opinion very briefly - an unjustified one, no less - and then proceeded to lurk the joint up.

Ah, yes.  Having conviction in one's accusation and calling it a "fact" is a deadly scumtell.  I forgot.

And how can you possibly be proud of that?
You know, maybe you'd get a better case faster if you actually interacted with your top suspect.

Another point irrelevant to whether breadbocks is scum or not.

(slight lurker allegation not responded to due to genericness and blatantly having nothing to do with whether breadbocks was scum or not)

Aaaaaaand... that's it.  I admit, I'm impressed - you've lasted all this time on your random vote, gently poking breadbocks occasionally and one time going through his post and just saying NO UR RONG to everything he said.  You've made no attempt at all to justify why your vote has been on him so long, or why you think he's scum.  I admit I'm impressed by how well you've been avoiding attention via this method though.

Conclusion: Lordnincompoop's initial vote on me was groundless, and he's given absolutely no reason why he thought breadbocks was scum at any point.  "Random voting then not changing at all ever while being passive as fuck" is an interesting tactic for avoiding attention - I would like you to justify this as well.

Spoiler: EvilTwin (click to show/hide)

breadbocks, you reacted quite emothically to all that. We haven't heard a justification yet...?w.

Damn!  This is a brilliant argument.  Afterall, only doppelgangers have emotions!

...In all seriousness, I can't make heads or tails of this vote.  You say it's for "strong reactions" later, but why would only scum react strongly?  What exactly is he meant to explain?  Really, unless you can provide a reason why scum would react strongly and explain why you think breadbocks was "nervous", you don't have any reason for voting at all.

Conclusion: EvilTwin's vote is very flimsy and unexplained.  It seems like it could be just there to extract information, but I don't think breadbocks really knew what he was being asked with this one.

Spoiler: Darvi (click to show/hide)

Next up is Dariush. Man, do you defensively overreact. OMGUSing Toaster because he admits being Kook? WTF man. Your later reactions, such as OMGUSing bread, don't help your case either.

Breadbocks himself, on the other hand, has also OMGUSed Dariush, and keeps tunneling with weak arguments. Also, he didn't answer LNCP's question in the way he obvioulsy interpreted it as, namely a hypothetical question. Sure, you want to kill Dariush. What's new. Also, while I'm not a fan of meta, his behaviour is reminiscent of how he played in his previous scum games.

...So, do you think it's an elaborate bussing plan?  If so, why?  If not, why the heck did you FoS Dariush?

For the vote itself, just ugh.  Firstly, I can't see any point where Breadbocks could be said to have OMGUSed Dariush (he voted first), and you haven't explained why OMGUSing would be a scumtell here.  Secondly... how is not guessing that something was intended as a hypothetical question scummy?  Are you saying that scum would deliberately misread that question?  And the meta argument is fantastically vague.  If you want to use it, I'd like you to provide a link to a scumgame and a towngame of breadbocks' and tell us all why his play looked like the former.

Conclusion: Darvi's vote on breadbock's is hasty and not backed up in any way at all.  It also seems to contradict his FoS of Dariush if he doesn't explain it further.

So, those are the stupid votes.  Time to move on to the exception.

Unvote.

breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.

Dariush... does stuff like this. I'm not going to call him scum so quickly because this is exactly what I expect from him, and the stuff he's been accused of isn't completely damning. I'm keeping an eye on him of course.

In that vein, unvote Jokerman-EXE, breadbocks.

This vote is not stupid.  Not at all, Jim Groovester.

You start by making a vague meta argument which you assume noone is gonna bother to check.  What I find interesting is how you apparently pointed it out at the time but did absolutely nothing about it.  Even though this argument is now damning enough to earn a vote, at the time it didn't earn an FoS.  Or a question.  Or anything at all.  In other words... this argument only shows that breadbocks is scum when you want it to show that breadbocks is scum.  Unless you're saying that his lurking and the fact that EvilTwin finally prodded you for doing nothing all day is what sealed the deal.

You then make the most pathetically passive, cautious defence I have ever seen of Dariush.  You say that what he is accused of "isn't completely damning" which implies that... it is slightly damning?  If it is slightly damning, why take no further action?  If it's not damning at all, why not just say so?  And why make a vague, UN style end to that little resolution of yours?  Well, at least you acted on it by saying nothing at all about Dariush at any point since.

Then, finally... you vote.  You make sure that everyone can see your vague reasons, give an incredibly wooly reason why you don't suspect breadbocks' main enemy, and only then vote.  As if you're more interested in protecting yourself while switching your vote than getting scum lynched.  Actually, I'll just say it.  You're more interested in protecting yourself while switching your vote than getting scum lynched.  Because you're scum, and this ridiculously cowardly vote change shows that perfectly.

So, in summary: 4 stupid votes and 1 scum vote.  This post has taken over an hour, so I'll write another one analysing everyone else tomorrow.

[Jim Groovester]

What do you want me to do, Leafsnail? Give breadbocks a headsup about how I recognize the stuff he's doing from his scum game? 'Hey, pal, just a warning, but you might want to try and do stuff that makes it harder for me to figure out that you're scum, because this is awfully familiar to your scum game right now. Got it? Good, I'll check back in a week, see how you're doing.' Nope, sorry, that's bullshit. Not gonna do that.

I asked him why he thought Dariush was scum here, and it took him forever to respond, so the idea that I did nothing about it in the interim is complete bullshit. Well, it's not complete bullshit, it's just disingenuous. I did nothing, only because breadbocks did nothing.

And I wasn't defending Dariush, you dumbass, I was asked my opinion on him. How about you selectively edit the quote so that gets lost in there?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Jim Groovester, you haven't changed your RV on Jokerman which you placed due to his inactivity. What are your thoughts on breadbocks and Dariush?

breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.

Dariush... does stuff like this. I'm not going to call him scum so quickly because this is exactly what I expect from him, and the stuff he's been accused of isn't completely damning. I'm keeping an eye on him of course.

In that vein, unvote Jokerman-EXE, breadbocks.

Are there any more shitty accusations you want to make?

[ToonyMan]

Sigh, well, here's a question for everybody voting Breadbocks.  Are you all going to keep your vote on Breadbocks after the replacement comes in?

Yes.
Why do you care?

I think it's important information.  I would like to see people's response so I can gauge if it's scummy or not.

[Leafsnail]

What do you want me to do, Leafsnail? Give breadbocks a headsup about how I recognize the stuff he's doing from his scum game? 'Hey, pal, just a warning, but you might want to try and do stuff that makes it harder for me to figure out that you're scum, because this is awfully familiar to your scum game right now. Got it? Good, I'll check back in a week, see how you're doing.' Nope, sorry, that's bullshit. Not gonna do that.

Uh... your joke scenario seems pretty damn close to what happened.  Your damning reason that got you to vote him was something you'd pointed out earlier and done nothing at all about.  If it really were a damning reason, why didn't you vote or at least properly question him about it at the time?

I asked him why he thought Dariush was scum here, and it took him forever to respond, so the idea that I did nothing about it in the interim is complete bullshit. Well, it's not complete bullshit, it's just disingenuous. I did nothing, only because breadbocks did nothing.

You didn't like, vote or have any suspects though.  "But I was busy activelurking" isn't a defence.

From the time you ignored breadbocks' supposedly damning scumtell until the time when you actually voted him for it you answered some random votes, commented on some random vote answers (which you... never mentioned again).  Then you asked some passive questions of various people (yes, one of them was breadbocks - wow, amazing detective work there) and then finally decided that the damning scumtell you saw 2 days earlier was worth a vote when EvilTwin called you out on sitting around on your random vote since the start of the game.

And I wasn't defending Dariush, you dumbass, I was asked my opinion on him. How about you selectively edit the quote so that gets lost in there?

...You were asked your opinion on Dariush, and you defended him in response.  I didn't think that part of the quote changed anything, but if you think the fact that you need to be prodded in order to say something reflects positively on you then whatever.  I like how you don't have any answer at all to the accusation that it was a ridiculously sissy and noncomittal defence of Dariush "opinion" on Dariush, instead trying to distract attention by saying someone else asked you to do it.  So, what do you think of him now, if you're "keeping your eye on him"?

[Pandarsenic]

Toony, are you trying to ingratiate yourself with the replacement?

[Jim Groovester]

What do you want me to do, Leafsnail? Give breadbocks a headsup about how I recognize the stuff he's doing from his scum game? 'Hey, pal, just a warning, but you might want to try and do stuff that makes it harder for me to figure out that you're scum, because this is awfully familiar to your scum game right now. Got it? Good, I'll check back in a week, see how you're doing.' Nope, sorry, that's bullshit. Not gonna do that.

Uh... your joke scenario seems pretty damn close to what happened.  Your damning reason that got you to vote him was something you'd pointed out earlier and done nothing at all about.  If it really were a damning reason, why didn't you vote or at least properly question him about it at the time?

Because I wanted to see if he'd break from his meta first.

Nope.

I also pressed breadbocks plenty along the way. You accuse me of doing jack shit about breadbocks, when that's simply not true.

I asked him why he thought Dariush was scum here, and it took him forever to respond, so the idea that I did nothing about it in the interim is complete bullshit. Well, it's not complete bullshit, it's just disingenuous. I did nothing, only because breadbocks did nothing.

You didn't like, vote or have any suspects though.  "But I was busy activelurking" isn't a defence.

From the time you ignored breadbocks' supposedly damning scumtell until the time when you actually voted him for it you answered some random votes, commented on some random vote answers (which you... never mentioned again).  Then you asked some passive questions of various people (yes, one of them was breadbocks - wow, amazing detective work there) and then finally decided that the damning scumtell you saw 2 days earlier was worth a vote when EvilTwin called you out on sitting around on your random vote since the start of the game.

You make scumhunting sound so scummy.

And I wasn't defending Dariush, you dumbass, I was asked my opinion on him. How about you selectively edit the quote so that gets lost in there?

...You were asked your opinion on Dariush, and you defended him in response.  I didn't think that part of the quote changed anything, but if you think the fact that you need to be prodded in order to say something reflects positively on you then whatever.  I like how you don't have any answer at all to the accusation that it was a ridiculously sissy and noncomittal defence of Dariush "opinion" on Dariush, instead trying to distract attention by saying someone else asked you to do it.  So, what do you think of him now, if you're "keeping your eye on him"?

That wasn't a defense. It wasn't really anything. I couldn't make up my mind on Dariush because my reads on him at that point did not strongly point one way or the other. This is still the case.

Blah blah this is dumb.

[ToonyMan]

Toony, are you trying to ingratiate yourself with the replacement?

No.  Why do you think so?