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Author Topic: The impertient magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!  (Read 2575 times)

Psieye

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The impertient magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« on: April 25, 2011, 04:42:36 pm »

Well there's something I didn't know - magma erases engravings on the floor but possibly doesn't touch ones on walls. I didn't submerge my wall tiles so this isn't a thorough check. So yeah, I guess I shouldn't engrave the floor in my "spike filled death pit with magma cleaning!" project. This does make it a very useful eraser for when newbie engravers are being trained up - much faster than trying to place floor tiles everywhere. Oh don't worry about Urist McEngraver - he's made probably a thousand masterworks in his life through his masonry work so he's still ecstatic despite 10 masterpieces being ruined. I'm more curious about the Troll guts that I burnt along with the rest of the trash. I wonder what would have happened if I kept it - probably treated the same as other body parts of sentient creatures (i.e. useless).

Oh the title is the actual in-game text when this happens.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2011, 04:47:00 pm by Psieye »
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Re: The impertient magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 06:28:00 pm »

GhostDwemer likes magma for its impertinence. 
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Re: The impertient magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2011, 06:30:36 pm »

Walls are safe. Magma can only damage things that are in the same tile as magma. As magma cannot go onto a wall, tree, or closed wooden door they are all safe.

They will wipe out engravings on the floor, however, so you can indeed use magma to train up stone detailers.
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Re: The impertient magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2011, 07:46:16 pm »

Walls are safe. Magma can only damage things that are in the same tile as magma. As magma cannot go onto a wall, tree, or closed wooden door they are all safe.

They will wipe out engravings on the floor, however, so you can indeed use magma to train up stone detailers.

Wouldn't that make some dwarves unhappy, because when their engravings are destroyed, they get upset.
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Re: The impertient magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 08:01:59 pm »

Wouldn't that make some dwarves unhappy, because when their engravings are destroyed, they get upset.
Only masterpieces; +Engravings+ and *Engravings* and such have no impact, AFAIK.
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Re: The impertinent magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 08:15:30 pm »

1. "impertient" is bugging the hell out of me.

2. Smoothing stone also trains engravers, so using magma doesn't really save you anything.
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Re: The impertinent magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 08:47:02 pm »

2. Smoothing stone also trains engravers, so using magma doesn't really save you anything.
Sometimes it helps. And, of course, it is dangerous and requires magma.
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Re: The impertinent magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2011, 09:38:39 pm »

2. Smoothing stone also trains engravers, so using magma doesn't really save you anything.
Sometimes it helps. And, of course, it is dangerous and requires magma.

So really, no downside.
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Re: The impertinent magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 09:44:43 pm »

2. Smoothing stone also trains engravers, so using magma doesn't really save you anything.
Sometimes it helps. And, of course, it is dangerous and requires magma.

So really, no downside.
But it takes precious, precious magma away from ridiculously complicated megaprojects, noble rooms, and obsidian mines!
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Re: The impertinent magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2011, 09:51:36 pm »

2. Smoothing stone also trains engravers, so using magma doesn't really save you anything.
Sometimes it helps. And, of course, it is dangerous and requires magma.

So really, no downside.
But it takes precious, precious magma away from ridiculously complicated megaprojects, noble rooms, and obsidian mines!

Not with proper preparation and magma recycling- although in my experience my magma projects do just fine until those recycling systems kick in, at which point FUN ensues.

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Re: The impertient magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2011, 09:57:30 pm »

Doesn't the amount of negative thought get based off of how many masterworks the engraver has already done?  If you've been doing a lot of engraving, is the impact really that huge?

(I destroyed a masterwork engraving through mining last night, the engraver only went down to "content" from what was probably "ecstatic".)
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Re: The impertinent magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 11:36:03 pm »

2. Smoothing stone also trains engravers, so using magma doesn't really save you anything.
Sometimes it helps. And, of course, it is dangerous and requires magma.

So really, no downside.
But it takes precious, precious magma away from megaproject rooms, complicated nobles, and obsidian nobles!
Fixed.

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Re: The impertient magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2011, 12:01:32 am »

I wasn't aware that engravers needed training. Isn't smoothing out a few hundred rooms and hallways practice enough?
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Re: The impertinent magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2011, 12:06:45 am »

2. Smoothing stone also trains engravers, so using magma doesn't really save you anything.
Sometimes it helps. And, of course, it is dangerous and requires magma.

So really, no downside.
But it takes precious, precious magma away from ridiculously complicated megaprojects, noble rooms, and obsidian mines!
That can be fixed easily. Engrave the floor of the nobles room.
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Re: The impertient magma has defaced [a masterwork engraving]!
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2011, 12:41:44 am »

I wasn't aware that engravers needed training. Isn't smoothing out a few hundred rooms and hallways practice enough?
Oh you know, got to think ahead to when those engravers all die horribly and you need to train up new engravers. Unless you're willing to go out and have them smooth an entire mountain becuase your fort is already smooth, you can't train them without the magma eraser.
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