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[Virtz]

Is Daggerfall worth getting I have played Morrowind, and Oblivion, but I am not sure from what I have seen if that woudl be fun ?

If you liked Morrowind more than Oblivion, than Daggerfall may be something for you.
If you liked Oblivion more.. Wait here while i get a torch and a pitchfork.

Daggerfall is actually sort of something between the two and then some. Like Oblivion it's got fast-travel, repetetive dungeons (although here they're actually procedurally generated) and you can sort of rely on your reflexes in combat (backing away as the enemy attacks). Like Morrowind it's got all the fun spells, to-hit rolls, relatively lenient level scaling and interesting lore. Furthermore, it's got a non-linear storyline, it's got a more complex character system, the cities and dungeons are huge, there's more stuff you can buy (houses, ships, horses and carts), and it takes some interesting world aspects into account such as holidays, days on which different daedra can be summoned and justice system (crimes commited in one province do not carry consequences in others, crimes are eventually forgotted, and you may go through a trial if you surrender to the guards).

[Reelyanoob]

Here's some screen shots

#1 daggerfall world map (shows country borders) :



Each country get's it's own full-screen local map with cities EVERYWHERE (the world map above is NOT the fast-travel map, each country has it's own fast-travel map, which is basically a screen jammed with cities, ruins, towers, dungeons, inns, homesteads, temples etc)

Here's a sample city you can explore on foot in ONE of the countries. It's on the main quest. Daggerfall's capital city. There's a thieves guild around there somewhere too you can join. but it's "HFS". This is not an action screenshot, it's the location map you get with Tab or M or whatever the map key is.



You can go on foot across the whole world map if you like, *literally* taking days to cross vast distances.

My favourite artifact you can craft: Underpants of levitation lol

Sounds you will get sick of (when you can't find the critter): Bats that go "Ee Ee Ee" and skeletons going "Raarrggh". You'll get what I mean the first time you play it.

[Rex_Nex]

Heh, got Daggerfall. Can I get a guide to setting it up with DOSBox? I installed everything, but it seems like it wants a CD or something, and a link to a guide so I can set it up the RIGHT WAY would help

[Shadowlord]

STAR CONTROL II

Seriously, check this game out! (sandbox, space rpg, combat, good story)

Definitely. Get this version. It's free and open source nowadays.

[Reelyanoob]

Heh, got Daggerfall. Can I get a guide to setting it up with DOSBox? I installed everything, but it seems like it wants a CD or something, and a link to a guide so I can set it up the RIGHT WAY would help

It's been years since I ran it, but DOS Box works fine. Here's the official DOSBox guide on the game:-

http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/GAMES:The_Elder_Scrolls_II:_Daggerfall

to quote "There was a bug in DOSBox that prevented this game to correctly detect its CD, the bug was fixed after the 0.72 release."

Make sure you have DosBox 0.73

There's also a great Daggerfall wiki. Funny, just realized daggerfall is also known as "DF"

[nenjin]

I got Daggerfall too. At first I was like "Oh, now I understand the roots of Morrowind and Oblivion." The fact its FP and real time though....man that thing is awkward to play by today's standards. I'm glad you up the SSs up, that might tempt me to really try it. Because doing the tutorial dungeon, all I could think was "yeeeeccccchhhh, this handles so poorly."

[Aklyon]

The Geneforge series is nice for if you're stuck with just your hard drive.

[Reelyanoob]

I got Daggerfall too. At first I was like "Oh, now I understand the roots of Morrowind and Oblivion." The fact its FP and real time though....man that thing is awkward to play by today's standards. I'm glad you up the SSs up, that might tempt me to really try it. Because doing the tutorial dungeon, all I could think was "yeeeeccccchhhh, this handles so poorly."

Basically there's two control modes. The one you saw is the "sucky" mode (where you click on the arrow icons). Gotta use the nice mode. Before long you'll be zooming along uberfast.

Here's a random let's play video of someone playing with the "correct" control settings :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRc9uDz_Xk4&feature=related

Here's the repository of daggerfall wisdom :

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Daggerfall

[freeformschooler]

Rex_Nex: I don't know, you have to use the installer withing DOS BOX... and get it off of Abandonia. I think if there's a "minimal" or "full" or whatever the heck option like there was in Fallout 2, you definitely want the highest one. I can't remember really, I already have it installed.

Though I think it's time to try Daggerfall again. I didn't like it the first time: you could just reload a save, and quest givers would have new quests, etc, giving no real reasonto have multiple cities or basically anything else. Never tried a dungeon, though...

[nenjin]

The movement is ok. Just the combat is el terrible', is the other mode still based on mouse movements to attack? That and having to look up and down to hit opponents....pretty clunky.

[Reelyanoob]

The movement is ok. Just the combat is el terrible', is the other mode still based on mouse movements to attack? That and having to look up and down to hit opponents....pretty clunky.

I don't think the mouse-look mode quite works like that, I hacked my way through 1000's of enemies with no trouble (not my first play through though!)

Watch the video in my last post. He's fighting quite a bit.

[Nistenf]

If you like DOOM: DooMRoguelike.

Cave Story.

If you've got any Source games (and if you haven't... Just go out and buy Orange Box ffs), download a bunch of Source mods. I can tell you some decent ones if you like.

Please do so!

[Vibhor]

The movement is ok. Just the combat is el terrible', is the other mode still based on mouse movements to attack? That and having to look up and down to hit opponents....pretty clunky.

Nope
You have to hold the attack button and fling your mouse in the direction you want to attack
There are four different attacks that can be done.

[neotemplar]

http://theelderscrolls.wiwiland.net/?title=Daggerfall_:_DaggerfallSetup_EN

This daggerfall version installs it's own Dos box stuff and works a bajillion times better than the other version.

Like it installs normally and then runs it's own install of dos box.

Also go play Darklands.

[Rex_Nex]

I ended up doing that neo, the download is finishing up as we speak. I'll try out darklands.

I'm already a avid fan of Crawl