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[Urist is dead tome]

http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-23/news/29466700_1_tsa-spokeswoman-ann-davis-child-pornography-federal-agents

It really is sick when your own government lets scum like this get through to do a job that is unconstitutional in the first place. This is sick and wrong on so many levels and I hate it so much. These scanners are terrible machines and should be destroyed. They have no place in as great a country as America. Of course that may change soon.

[Tilla]

People said this would happen from the first day full body scans were introduced. The government said "No you have nothing to worry about!!"

Fuck you TSA.

[Urist is dead tome]

Fuck you TSA.

Sigged.

It seems to government really can't stop screwing these things up.

But seriously, I think a better way would be to just look at the religion of people. Its an ugly way to run things but this is an ugly situation.

[Il Palazzo]

I seriously don't get it. You're somehow making a connection between the guy's pedophilia and TSA?

But seriously, I think a better way would be to just look at the religion of people. Its an ugly way to run things but this is an ugly situation.

Could you explain what you mean by "looking at the religion of people"?

[Ochita]

But seriously, I think a better way would be to just look at the religion of people. Its an ugly way to run things but this is an ugly situation.

... You did not just go there. You went there.
Jesus Urist, Religion isn't anything! Its a concept, so there is really no reason!

[Vector]

But seriously, I think a better way would be to just look at the religion of people. Its an ugly way to run things but this is an ugly situation.

... And how are we going to do that?  National religion registry?  All Muslims must register?  What about atheists, those godless heathens?  How about folks who have read works by Nietzsche?  They often use his book as an excuse for their behavior.  It's easier to pin down everyone who's bought a copy of Will to Power than it is every Muslim.

Are we going to make them wear little crescent-and-star signs on their sleeves, or what?  After all... every Muslim is a potential danger to our country, right?


The USA is already kind of ridiculous.  I think the best way to do things is, say, work on our relationship with the Middle East >_>


The important thing to understand is that every situation can be abused.  Every relationship where one person has power over another has potential for abuse, and there has to be a better way to do things than simply attempting to eliminate each and every situation like this.  Do you get excited about every kindergarten teacher who turns out to be a molester?  Every sports coach that feels up his students?  Trust me, there's a lot... So come on.  The TSA is just one situation of thousands and thousands.

[Bouchart]

http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-23/news/29466700_1_tsa-spokeswoman-ann-davis-child-pornography-federal-agents

It really is sick when your own government lets scum like this get through to do a job that is unconstitutional in the first place. This is sick and wrong on so many levels and I hate it so much. These scanners are terrible machines and should be destroyed. They have no place in as great a country as America. Of course that may change soon.

This story isn't a surprise to anyone with half a brain.  And America isn't a great country; it's a moribund empire on the verge of collapse, with perverts and miscreants every 20 feet.  Be armed.

[fqllve]

with perverts and miscreants every 20 feet.

Welcome to sunny "Human Society," we hope you enjoy your stay.

[Servant Corps]

It really is sick when my own government shares different opinions than I do.

[Starver]

Out of interest, did I not read the linked-to article correctly?   From what I could see, there was no actual indication (nor, admittedly, refutation) that any body scanner images were involved.

There was a mention of an incident of alleged impropriety in a patting down procedure (unrelated to the issue at hand).  If true (and, from this side of the pond, I can't tell if this is just the stereotypical tendency towards litigious action brought about after an honest misunderstanding, or not) then that's a problem that exists with or without scanners (indeed, would be displaced by increased scanner use).

In-person or scanner-mediated inappropriate behaviour is as bad, of course.  Across all positions of trust, from teachers to babysitters to youth club/organisation workers.  It seems to me, though, that a bad egg who happens to be involved with the backscatter-scanner project is being used to support the idea that the scanners are bad.


If (and it wasn't established that this is the case) the memory stick contained images from the scanner itself, then the ability to arbitrarily download them (as opposed to the option of storing "images to be used as evidence" in a form that could only be court-unlockable) is a design flaw, but not a problem with the scanner itself.  (Ideally, anyway, the scanner pinpoints the need to strongly request an actual search, and "looks Ok" images would never need to be stored, certainly not transferred anywhere.)  However, unless I've skipped some vital verb or adjective in my haste to not dwell upon the unpleasantness of the person involved, the article appears not even to suggest that such transfers had happened.


On the whole, the core issue is not a subject I would normally have come to read about, but you drew me in with the promise of some healthy cynicism about some subject or other.  After which I wrestled with myself over whether to follow the link (what with it's more plainly descriptive URL).  So forgive me if my cynicism isn't about the target of the article but instead the motivations behind the article, itself!

[Max White]

I missed the line where it said that such photos were obtained using these scanners. From what I can gather, such machines are fine, the problem is that a paedophile was put in a position where he could grope children.

But please, correct me.

[Urist is dead tome]

I seriously don't get it. You're somehow making a connection between the guy's pedophilia and TSA?

But seriously, I think a better way would be to just look at the religion of people. Its an ugly way to run things but this is an ugly situation.

Could you explain what you mean by "looking at the religion of people"?

Listing religion on passport (if they don't already do that, that is). My point here is that the most likely terrorists would, in fact, be Muslim extremists. Of course there would be ways to bypass this and I'll be thinking about that.

But seriously, I think a better way would be to just look at the religion of people. Its an ugly way to run things but this is an ugly situation.

... You did not just go there. You went there.
Jesus Urist, Religion isn't anything! Its a concept, so there is really no reason!

Why is the definition of religion important here?

I missed the line where it said that such photos were obtained using these scanners. From what I can gather, such machines are fine, the problem is that a paedophile was put in a position where he could grope children.

But please, correct me.

The pedophile was just the trigger to the bullet. This really is more of a hate the TSA thread.

<Snip>

Pardon my French but what the hell were you talking about? Is this some sort of invocation of Godwins law?

[Vector]

<Snip>

Pardon my French but what the hell were you talking about? Is this some sort of invocation of Godwins law?

Yes.  It is.  Yadda yadda, I lost the argument, but I thought it was appropriate.

[Max White]

The pedophile was just the trigger to the bullet. This really is more of a hate the TSA thread.

Ok! Wait, we hate the TSA? Why would we hate such a thing?

[Angel Of Death]

Ugh. Disgusting.

I hate full body scanners.