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Legal woman trade
« on: April 24, 2011, 05:13:04 am »

Earlier this week, I stumbled upon a tv program about islam, and middle east, and stuff.
Well, some people joke that you can buy women with camels, but apparently this custom is very real.
So I'm thinking:
What are the implications?
What do you think about it- good or bad?

And, something that'll complete my knowledge pool
Where are the places that a man can still buy a woman?

I heard that some tribes in africa do this, but other than that I have no clue.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2011, 05:33:13 am by Rooster »
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Re: Legal woman trade
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2011, 05:15:19 am »

I think it's bad.

Women are human beings, they should not be sold or traded.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2011, 05:23:57 am »

Was that tv show on fox news? The dot is real, buying the women is not. (Or at least not widely accepted, except in the most remote area). As for the "what do you think? Good or bad?" Are you trying to get banned? Who the hell could answer "good".
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Re: Legal woman trade
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 05:26:00 am »

And thing I'd like to know most:
Where are the places that a man can buy a woman?
That came out wrong.
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Re: Legal woman trade
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2011, 05:32:23 am »

If you say so.
I was just wondering where is this still practiced.
In primitive tribes I assume.
If you think that I was asking, where I can do such a thing, then I apologise, it wasn't ment that way.

Was that tv show on fox news? The dot is real, buying the women is not. (Or at least not widely accepted, except in the most remote area). As for the "what do you think? Good or bad?" Are you trying to get banned? Who the hell could answer "good".
Muslims. Last time I checked, we had muslims on this forum.
Also I'm not american, and so I don't watch fox news.
The custom, I'm specifically referring to is paying the father to marry his daughter. Again, I still think it exists in the world afaik
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2011, 05:42:35 am »

And because they are Muslims they should agree?

And yes paying someone to marry his daughter or paying said daughter, or asking to be paid a Dowry still exist everywhere in the world sadly.
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Re: Legal woman trade
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2011, 06:00:59 am »

There's a big, BIG difference between dowries and outright "women as chattel".  ::)

And dowries are by no means a "Muslim thing". The point of a dowry is twofold:

1. To demonstrate that the would-be son-in-law can actually provide for a family.
2. To compensate some of the lost labor output of the daughter.

And in some traditions, it also binds the groom's family and bride's family closer, especially if land is involved. My own family has instances of that back in the 19th century in the US, when they were basically two or three heavily related clans in the same area, and some land transfer often accompanied marriages.

EDIT: It should also be noted that in some societies, it's reversed, and the bride's family has to pay the groom. This typically happens when the custom is for the groom to leave his family and settle with the bride's family. Because the bride's family is thus gaining an extra laborer in their extended family, they're paying the groom's family who is losing a laborer. Vestiges of this can be seen in the West by the custom of the bride's family paying the cost of the wedding.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2011, 06:18:16 am »

I was speaking about that version, who is no less harmful and the number one reason of killing of girl baby in china and India.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2011, 06:43:02 am »

Also, in some cultures the dowry actually goes to the bride, as a safety fund for her to use should the man decide to leave her.

That said, I saw a documentary just the other week about a women's refuge in either Afghanistan or Iraq, which presented the wife-selling "custom" as fairly common (at least among the lower classes, for obvious reasons). Of course, that was just the feeling they created, with no actual facts I can remember backing it up. Both women, or girls, rather, they went indepth on had been sold, however. It should also be noted that it was not legal to do so anyway, and the girl I remember most of also only got sold off necause her family was deeplu indebted to (what you got the impression of being) either the mob or a warlord of some kind.

So, to summarise; Not actually legal, but it happens anyway due to the desperation of the populace.
For other countries, I do not know.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2011, 10:03:09 am »

I should add, that by strict Islamic ruling, the dowry is to be given to the bride, not the parents or whathaveyou. It's her money to use, come what may.

Of course, not everyone follows the laws of their tribe/race/faith/country, otherwise there would be no crime.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2011, 10:41:34 am »

I think it's sexist that men are not valued as a commodity. We're gender capable too!
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Re: Legal woman trade
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2011, 10:43:09 am »

I think it's great that women are still being sold. I've been trying to find one in a bar for years, but I don't think I have the hunter in me. A lot of people tell me that it's because my scent alerts them to my presence, even when I try to mask it with body spray. Women have superior sense of smell, you know.
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2011, 10:46:15 am »

I think it's great that women are still being sold. I've been trying to find one in a bar for years, but I don't think I have the hunter in me. A lot of people tell me that it's because my scent alerts them to my presence, even when I try to mask it with body spray. Women have superior sense of smell, you know.
Sure it's not your look?

I would be rather scared if a Power Puff guy hit on me.

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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2011, 10:48:38 am »

Yeah, at first I thought baring your teeth at them was supposed to be a way of baiting them in, but it never worked. So I started just trailing them whenever they returned to their habitat, but there were often other guys there who had apparently camped out and weren't having any of it.
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2011, 10:54:12 am »

You may try nets. Nobody expect nets. Ever.
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