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[Sergarr]

Overflow error. The max sale price possible is 65535, it wraps around to 1 once an item's price goes above that. Directly selling to stores nets an obligatory 50% penalty that can't be mitigated by negotiation.

65535? Man they were really trying to save some memory here.

[dwarf_reform]

(Playing Elona+) Was wondering what the most popular (english!) IRC is for Elona (if there is one..)?? And also I can't find out if Hero Cheese rots, and I don't really want to walk from Lumiest to my house to brutally find out :>

[SirAaronIII]

Try the plain ol' Elona wiki one.

And I'm 99% sure they don't. See if you can return, stuff it in a cooler box, or use antiseptic just to be safe though.

[guessingo]

Overflow error. The max sale price possible is 65535, it wraps around to 1 once an item's price goes above that. Directly selling to stores nets an obligatory 50% penalty that can't be mitigated by negotiation.

65535? Man they were really trying to save some memory here.

I was using this wiki post. Do you know if the overflow error happens in the players shop as well? Since at the shop in town you are only getting 5% of a weapon/armors price. However, with a demon, I get 28.8%, so the sale price would almost 6x higher...

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Powergamer%27s_guide

[guessingo]

when i go into inventory and press 'z', the layout changes. I can't figure out what this is telling me. I am guessing that an "Li' with 2 is lightning resistance with two ## since that matches on one of my items. Is this resistances?

[SirAaronIII]

Yeah, it's resistances.

[guessingo]

is it possible to change the mode in the inventory to see the buffs such as stats and skills? Its an utter hassle to press 'x' each time to find ones I want to keep. Then its a pain to keep track of the different buffs I have (such as fishing, pickpocket, crafting).. etc. I have to keep separate piles.

[ejseto]

Overflow error. The max sale price possible is 65535, it wraps around to 1 once an item's price goes above that. Directly selling to stores nets an obligatory 50% penalty that can't be mitigated by negotiation.

It works both ways. Just bought a godly speed ring off Moyer for 1gp. He also had a miracle speed ring for 1.9 million.

[guessingo]

I did a test I dont think the overflow affects petshop sales. If I change the value of my ring up, I can get 280k gold for elona rings with top materials (see link to powergaming i posted above to elona wiki) with my demon in the shop. I came back a couple days later and had 350k gold in the shop. didnt see it that closely, but i dont see how i would have got that much if it wasnt for the price of that ring.

there is a new option at mirak and gorals. one of them lets me buy stuff with small medals.the other one has some options with weapons. i dont know what it did. it renamed a the special stave you get for finishing the main quest of Act 1, but didnt seem to have any other affect ? any idea what this this one does? it gives the option of 'i have small medals to spend', but i didnt spend any.,

the name of the item is now 'the                                       no name '
with all the sapces. no other noticeable changes. i when i look at page 2 i see a bunch of 'no data'

[SirAaronIII]

Hey, I saw someone on the wikia ask that. Was it you? I answered there too, but the bottom line is there's some new renaming/item description changing thing you can do with Garokk. There's an explanation on the page.

In other news, Elona+ 1.39 dropped sometime earlier. Here's the wikia discussion. Some stuff I managed to understand through the Google translated version:
- Magic damage doesn't drop off with range anymore. Basically it's just like before. A pretty big buff.
- Some kind of skills that make everybody in your party shoot magic bolts at once?
- Something to do with custom race names. Must have been some error because you get 3 race name-changing items at your feet.
- Bigger winning streak bonuses at 100, 200, and 300 (max) for pet arena
- You know those jewel cores of Nefia? You don't need scrolls of gain attribute to use them, and the limit that you can use has been increased.
- I think it says that trader shops eventually get more stock when you buy from them.

[guessingo]

@Aaron: it also looks like at fight 100,200, you fight  a tougher monster. After level 65-70 with a good fast pet, you beat everything. However, the fame you get drops considerable.

I'd like to start discussing 'super training'/ways to make lots of gold, etc... that you have found in the game. Going to reference a few things so this thread doesn't get too long

1. how to train with the new elona+ god items that lower attributes. i dont know how to take advantage of reduction in stealth yet.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.3885

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Re: Elona
« Reply #3891 on: August 24, 2014, 01:28:57 pm »
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Oh yeah. good catch on the pet. The only thing the pet picks up witht he option that doesn't slow him down is eating food on the ground.

Does anyone know if I can get potions of descent at shops if I raise Investment enough? Want to lower levels of pets and get a gem farm going. I raised my bells levels so i can fight higher dungeons. Forgot that its alot more expensive to train potentials. If I can get enough of them, I think we can abuse this... by using gene engineering to level. When you do this they gain attributes, then lower the level back down and repeat.

This could be an invaluable way to get a pets cooking really high. Cooking allows pets to make breakfast if you wake up in the morning. Its a game changer. This trains attribute potentials.

Has anyone done experimenting with the elona+ god gifts (bottom of this page). They all have large negatives. They look like they are used for creative ways to train really fast.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gods

Here are some posted on the forums. I posted a few (i never made an account). At the bottom you will find the items with links to their pages.

1. Aureate Constricter: (Yacatect of Wealth): lowers negotation. See forum. This doesn't affect the price of trade goods. As you raise negotation, you have to spend more good to train. So use it at the traders. Way to radically increase negotiation fast. I am doing this right now. I posted in the forum on this page.
Stealth Negative: Not known how to train this.
2. Wheel of Fortune (Luck God): Reduces Magical Control: So must want to hit pets for some reason. Maybe used to train pets healing? Not sure.
3. Fetter of Earth (Opatos): speed negative. good for training weight lifting. 12 hours if you rest once. Outside for passing time very quickly. have not tried. Also useful for lowering speed to get AP. In R1.38 your relative speed is a factor in getting AP (look up AP in forum if you dont know what it is). Its mainly gained at high levels.
4. he <Green god thorn> (Kumiromi Farming): Radically lowers healing and medication. I think you can use this to perma-train mana and healing. Cast a couple spells. lower just a little. Quaff a potion of dye, sulfuric, poison, etc.. take a little damage. In the past I would go around slightly overweight to train healing. Had some YASDs doing this. Anyone try this? You can just take it off if you get in a fight.
5. The <Magic Canceler>  (Magic) Lowers magic and casting: Use posted. Train Magic Capacity. I did this by fighting a mosnter with touch of weakness and having it drain my wil and magic to 1. See my post here. Trained magic capacity really fast.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Capacity
Possibly other uses.
6. he <Tempest coller> (luly of Wind): Lowers Evasion/Greater Evasion: Could be useful to train armor. I think armor gets trained when you are hit. Needs testing.
7. The <Mechanical binder> (Mani the machine): Lowers marksman/tactics: PRobably useful for training. so stuff doesn't die. Also useful for a mage since its a bonus 150 PV and you dont care about those skills.
8,  <Sasumata>  (Jure) Reduces damage bonus: Probably in combination with #7.

PICKPOCKET(BY FAR BEST WAY TO TRAIN)

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steal trees: outside or during hunting quests. No chance of beeing caught. These way from 25-30s. You train far more pickpock with heavier items. This raises pickpocket radically fast. Just drop the trees when done.

Just keeping your potential at 50% or so is fine. you will go up very fast due to the weight of the trees. You may not be able to do this early on. I believe you need a certain strength to steal heavier items. I don't know what it is for 25-35s items.

Magic Capacity

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trains willpower which is the backbone of most buff spells so training this radically makes you stronger. Also high magic capacity and you will get more healing than you lose when you go to negative MP. So even if you have a Hex you can heal yourself.

Train: Magic Canceler: above. Not best way. Only lowers magic. Willpower and learning are involved. I am level 75 and with magic canceller my MP when from 5800 to 3300. Helps, but not that much.

BEST WAY(get stat drained from Touch of weakness): Get stat drained by npcs with touch of weakness. Best is done during normal course of play in the arena. Make sure you have 'it maintains' equipment so you can maintain your str,con,dex,perc, and you can kill these arena monsters without magic. Check wiki when you fight new monsters so they lower. At higher levels you may need to remove other armor so they can actually hit you.

I was able to lower my MP to 22. at about level 40 or so doing this. In 30 minutes I got 40 points in magic capacity. I stop when my potential for willpower drops to 'bad'. Its a really easy way to buff Willpower'

SLOW WORLD SPEED/Game Speed without Fetter of Earth

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Speed 10 is the slowest you can be. There are 3 ways to do this.
Fetter of Earth: Opatos 4th God gift
Ride a weak pet like a Bell
Cargo at 200s or more (only on world map)

If you want to pass alot of time. Do this and go to a town. Press 'shift r'. Great for forcing restock of shops, gardening, and getting more sleeps so you can take advantage of breakfast.

Magic Control

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Later game Strategy:
Use Wheel of Fortune (from luck god) to lower magic control. When you damage pets you get more exp. Now you need to keep your pets alive. You need pets with damage reductoin. Murder knight and bells.
Rubynus EQ: Its critical that your pets are loaded with rubynus EQ to give them sufficient HP. Damage reduction seems to increase as you level the bells. So you can level them with gene engineering.
Do about 10-20 area costs, then cast Healing Rain 3-4 times to heal everyone.
Recommended: Be fast. game processes slower when other things are fast than you because they move multiple times. I recommend platina/gold bells for this. Bells of termination are too fast. Have a faster pet. Make sure to use 'tag' to double them up. Speeds up game.
if you want to upgrade from your bells, send them to a discarded ranch or the Doujou. Take them out when you want to train. by this time you should have sufficient skill in domination spell to get higher level mobs to level them with gene engineering.

Very effective.

Making Gold

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Tailor: Very overlooked. Stockpile any items that buff tailor. At 45 skill you can make pantys. Blessed Scrolls of change material, RADICALLY increase their price. You get better materials and the damage goes up. From testing, it seems to take less scrolls to get prices increased radically. A rubynus panty with 1d39, sells hits the overflow in the regular shop and sells for 1 GP. Sell t hem in your player shop. Overflow is ignored. Materials for panties are NOT that rare. So you can make vast numbers of them.

45 skill isn't that high. Through normal course of play you can get a number of bonus tailor items. So hold onto them. As your skill goes up you will slowly make more miracle level equipment. Changing these gets even more gold.

I have made millions of gold through normal course of playing doing this.

[Ivefan]

I don't really have anything to contribute because you seem to cover it by yourself, so im mostly posting to say "keep it up".
Though I wonder about the new thinly veiled sleep event with a pet. no idea what it does.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Making Gold

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Tailor: Very overlooked. Stockpile any items that buff tailor. At 45 skill you can make pantys. Blessed Scrolls of change material, RADICALLY increase their price. You get better materials and the damage goes up. From testing, it seems to take less scrolls to get prices increased radically. A rubynus panty with 1d39, sells hits the overflow in the regular shop and sells for 1 GP. Sell t hem in your player shop. Overflow is ignored. Materials for panties are NOT that rare. So you can make vast numbers of them.

45 skill isn't that high. Through normal course of play you can get a number of bonus tailor items. So hold onto them. As your skill goes up you will slowly make more miracle level equipment. Changing these gets even more gold.

I have made millions of gold through normal course of playing doing this.

Panty mongering.. hmm..

[guessingo]

Making Gold

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Tailor: Very overlooked. Stockpile any items that buff tailor. At 45 skill you can make pantys. Blessed Scrolls of change material, RADICALLY increase their price. You get better materials and the damage goes up. From testing, it seems to take less scrolls to get prices increased radically. A rubynus panty with 1d39, sells hits the overflow in the regular shop and sells for 1 GP. Sell t hem in your player shop. Overflow is ignored. Materials for panties are NOT that rare. So you can make vast numbers of them.

45 skill isn't that high. Through normal course of play you can get a number of bonus tailor items. So hold onto them. As your skill goes up you will slowly make more miracle level equipment. Changing these gets even more gold.

I have made millions of gold through normal course of playing doing this.

Panty mongering.. hmm..

There is no way to get more by wearing them first.

[Ogdibus]

There is also no way to "wear them", which is kind of a shame.  The sprite that I'm using for them is pretty, not that it would show on the character sprite, but I like the idea of wearing them more than the idea of using them as a weapon.