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Re: Bullying
« Reply #120 on: April 22, 2011, 02:43:05 pm »

Urist, a few of us seems to have experimented with violence to stop bullies, and it's not the ultimate solution, period.
And I can tell you that by first hand account, because I've literally beaten up one of the guys that was constantly bothering me, and his friend. Didn't stop the others, and they kept bothering anyone not strong enough to defend themselves. The thing that cooled everybody for the rest of the year is when I brought a cutter at school, after they told me they were going to catch me with their cousin after school. But then I could really have gotten into trouble. (I was 13).
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Re: Bullying
« Reply #121 on: April 22, 2011, 02:55:23 pm »

Well, a guy on another forum who was a cop, he was told by his boss the following"

"If you fuck them up enough, they aren't going to tell anyone."

And that's pretty much my idea on how to stop bullies. Beat them hard enough that they don't want to mess with you.
I agree - they probably aren't gonna tell authority figures, since they'll be too busy gathering their friends and family and plotting their revenge against you at some point in the near future.  Most of the time responding will just escalate it.
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« Reply #122 on: April 22, 2011, 03:00:19 pm »

If you move or change schools (an option many people don't have), you're giving the bully victory, handing it right to him.
There is no winning or losing in matters of bullying; It's not some sort of competition. Sure, some people might end up worse off in the short term, but that doesn't mean that they 'lose'.
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« Reply #123 on: April 22, 2011, 03:14:20 pm »

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While violence can solve problems (depending, of course, on how you frame the problem e.g. "I'm being bullied" versus "Foo feels the need to bully others") and can be pretty cost-effective, it is certainly not the only solution (nor is it a "moral" one, but that's not in dispute).  That said, I have a hard time buying your claim that all bullying boils down to "kick ass or the terrorists bullies win!"

On a possibly-related note, you seem to have a fascination with weightlifting, though I'm not sure what to make of it.  You were certainly fixated on it in the army thread.

Well of course I do realize that violence should be a last resort, but if someone really wants to fight me and I can't get them off my back about I'm not going to change schools to avoid a fight.

My firm belief is that people who are weak should get stronger for a variety of reasons, one of which is so they can defend themselves. I myself am using a weightlifting program to become stronger for military service, I guess that could be called fascination.

I agree - they probably aren't gonna tell authority figures, since they'll be too busy gathering their friends and family and plotting their revenge against you at some point in the near future.  Most of the time responding will just escalate it.

Well if they're planning revenge obviously you didn't beat them hard enough.  :P
« Last Edit: April 22, 2011, 03:23:27 pm by Urist is dead tome »
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Re: Bullying
« Reply #124 on: April 22, 2011, 03:22:13 pm »

I guess the only time you've "beat them hard enough" is when they have to get hospitalized.
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« Reply #125 on: April 22, 2011, 03:23:58 pm »

I guess the only time you've "beat them hard enough" is when they have to get hospitalized.

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Re: Bullying
« Reply #126 on: April 22, 2011, 03:26:15 pm »

My firm belief is that people who are weak should get stronger for a variety of reasons, one of which is so they can defend themselves. I myself am using a weightlifting program to become stronger for military service, I guess that could be called fascination.
Not all strength is physical

Physical strength doesn't always win fights

Some people have other priorities
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Re: Bullying
« Reply #127 on: April 22, 2011, 03:27:16 pm »

My firm belief is that people who are weak should get stronger for a variety of reasons, one of which is so they can defend themselves. I myself am using a weightlifting program to become stronger for military service, I guess that could be called fascination.
Not all strength is physical

Physical strength doesn't always win fights

Some people have other priorities

That's a whole new can o' worms. I may open that later, though.
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Re: Bullying
« Reply #128 on: April 22, 2011, 03:53:17 pm »

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.

The competent use violence before submission.
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« Reply #129 on: April 22, 2011, 04:56:34 pm »

I was bullied from kindergarten through the first couple of years of school. I had an exceptional hot temper, and my bullies would poke me/tease me until I'd snap into a berserker rage and fly after them. Of course, this meant that in the eyes of the teachers I was that horribly unstable kid who would constantly be running after the other kids for no apparent reason, i.e. I was the one who'd get in trouble, not them.

It stopped because I eventually controlled my temper. When them poking and probing me for a response didn't give them any, they'd move on and stop trying. Of course, by this point I was a bit of a social outcast and was slightly bullied for that as well, but in the whole scheme of things, when I stopped responding to insults and probing I stopped getting insulted and probed.

My 2 cents to the whole bullying and gender equality debate: You gain a certain amount of ego for bullying another person, belittling them etc. But the entire ego thing is a very abstract measure. So abstract that there's no accepted standard for it. That means that it's only valid as long as everyone agrees to it, to the point where you can simply disagree that you're being belittled and bullies will have little to no response. When the bully is calling you fat, it is hoping for a response proving that the insult has stuck. If they don't get that response, their attempt has failed, and now they're just being some random jerk for no apparent reason.

Of course, this gets harder when it moves into the territory of physical abuse (It's pretty hard to poker-face through a beatdown), but I managed to avoid that aspect altogether, in my eyes through the mentality that if there was no gain from bullying me, then I wouldn't be bullied.
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Re: Bullying
« Reply #130 on: April 22, 2011, 05:14:22 pm »

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Re: Bullying
« Reply #131 on: April 22, 2011, 05:21:40 pm »

right cause: check

warned them: check

kept some intelligence: check



well sir you are the shining knight in your school and i congrats you for standing up especially for the weak.

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Re: Bullying
« Reply #132 on: April 22, 2011, 05:36:14 pm »

Violence fought with violence solves nothing.
Violence fought with complete and utter annihilation of the enemy is the key solution.
You know, information IS the key to victory. Let's break the ice with my tale.
You see, bullies have a sort of "strategy" in picking a prey.
They search the one which are most likely not to fight back, or that, in their eyes, are the most "uncool".
(like if that meant anything. It's like an elf way of view, and since we are all dwarfs, it's that way of looking)
They then test the victims resilience. And once it's done, they begin. They move in a group who has formed during years of kindergarden, of pre school, of middle school, or of sports team maybe. The point is, a bully is never alone. A Lone bully is a Dead bully. He has no fighting spirit at all, he has nobody to impress, no gang of friends to help him, so, he has nothing. Key point is complete annihilation, keep that in mind as we proceed.
Highschool "gang" of my school were five persons, the classic boss who has to repeat a year for the second time and four lackeys who needed somebody with more than one neuron to make them happy. I'm plumb, not as plumb as i dwarf i admit but still a little bit. Point is, i tollerated having my book papercutted into shreds, i understood their desires to be looked at like gods from their friends, and then i smashed them to the ground with information terrorism.
One at the time, a lie at the time. "Hey, you know what XXX said yesterday?" or buying them off "ohhh you need to copy some english homework, right?" or even better, "you do understand that right now i will punch you to kill you, and not just to send you to the hospital, right? i hope you clearly understand this simple way of thinking, because when you'll hit me hard enough to send me unconscious, you'll be going in prison, but i will kill you if you insist. I'll gouge your eyes and make you eat them, i'll kick your balls off and let you see how painful it is." just psychology. i never actually had to kick anyone in the balls (well, just once, but i was 13, and he practically deserved castration. story for another time maybe) bully act because bully don't think about those tiny things called Consequences. They are untouchable, in their eyes, they are the bosses. Sadly when they end up in court with fingers pointed against them, they no longer feel happy. I bought off/made distant/removed, all the gang from the bully in question. Then i proceeded to annihilate him through the teachers, of whom i had an inside link all alone. "He copied using XXX. You should find evidence on the site..." How sorry it was when he was left alone, in class, looking at the blackboard. He just stopped coming to school. Pity.
Point to be said is: bully are not invincible, they are, indeed, quite weak. You just need to set your sights on their weaknesses, and exploit them.
Oh, and if they wait you by the road, start screaming. Don't even let them speak. You just must start screaming. Even if they point you pointy things on the back, just scream their names, like "XXX WANTS TO STAB ME!" in the worst case scenario, your death WILL be avenged. otherwise they'll run. Oh, and if they try and stop you from screaming, bite them. Hard. Did you know that teeths can chop off fingers with the right strength? Just well...there are thousands of way, point is, you need the strength to take them, or else advice remains useless.
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And then it just became enjoyable. Ruining pathetical and clearly inferior people's lifes. My information network is smoothly able to tell me anything, since half of my hometown knows me, and the other half knows my grandmothers shop. And i have keen ears. And easily pass in the background. (Heck i could be the invisible men sometime).
i'll stress it just one last time: Information is key to victory.  And victory must be complete. No survivors.
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Re: Bullying
« Reply #133 on: April 22, 2011, 05:40:58 pm »

Seriously, if a bully tries to kill you, kill them slowly.

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Re: Bullying
« Reply #134 on: April 22, 2011, 05:55:30 pm »

So, this huge story only serves one purpose, to show that violence DOES solve bullying. Just make sure you do it right.

I have to agree on this one, I'm not saying if someone says you're stupid you should disembowel them, I'm saying violence is a last resort, and even then you should to warn them before you do it.
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