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[Cheese]

So, let's discuss games developed by Paradox interactive. This is meant to carry over from the how did you last die thread. And I mean developed not produced by.

Europa Universalis 3.

Finally some more Paradox game bros!!!

EU3 is my favourite Paradox game. I've never played HOI or its derivates and I'm not so keen on Vicky 2, but things seem to be improving. It stills sems extremely complicated to me, though. Wouldn't you agree EU3 is the greatest?

By the way, the Byzantines are one of the best choices for building a global empire in my opinion. Loads of cores covering Greece and all of Asia Minor as well as parts of some Balkan states if I recall correctly.
I've played this one game (I've completed two as the Eastern Romans which is their proper name) where I owned al of Italy and Lombardia (from France), most of the Caribbean islands, Australasia (all of it), most of Africa apart from west Africa, all of Russia (reconquered from the Golden Horde), practically all of the Balkans except for northern Hungary and Croatia, modern-day Estonia, Prussia and Ireland.

What are you finest achievements in the game? Tell me all about them!

I prefer EU3, but Crusader kings is actually surprisingly fun. Can't wait for CK2. Vicky 2 seemed to excite the paradox community and caused lots of hype but after a month of release it died off a little. I've only owned HOI3 and didn't like it so much as the other games either, I dislike how restrictive it is, you can't do crazy ahistorical stuff like making a communist Britain.

[inteuniso]

My favorite is EUIII simply because it is the best developed, but CK has the best idea. I can't wait for CKII either.

[mainiac]

Paradox games are always good but always fall short of my expectations.  EU2 and HOI2 were great and EUIII became great on expansions, but I think that they're other games keep putting in things that don't work as planned.  And I'm waiting for the day when they finally overhaul their antique of a diplomacy system.

Fun EUII story.  So about a month after I discovered this game and started playing it obsessively, I was sitting in class, playing EUII while trying to ignore the professor rant about kids these days.  Finally she said "But you kids don't even know what Byzantium is" (in reference to the poem "Sailing to Byzantium" and it's basis in a classical education).  Hearing this I raised my hand and gave a five minute off the cuff summery of Eastern Roman empire history from 330 to 1452, highlighting the way it affected the emergence of modern western european culture.  See, I had spent the last month fascinated by this stuff after playing the game and getting a first taste of history.  I then turned back to my laptop and ignored her for the rest of class.

[Simmura McCrea]

I did something similar. Someone had a mug with a picture on it, with the word Liguria visible on it. They asked what it was, and I was able to tell them it's an Italian city just across the border from Nice, just due to EU3.

[Gantolandon]

Vicky 2 seemed to excite the paradox community and caused lots of hype but after a month of release it died off a little.

Probably it's because Vicky 2 was a huge letdown. I would compare it to HoI3.

[Rakonas]

The vast majority of my interest in history and internal understanding of history stems from paradox games. I've managed to remember almost every bit of history I've learned from such games while not so much of actual taught history.

[Domenique]

The vast majority of my interest in history and internal understanding of history stems from paradox games. I've managed to remember almost every bit of history I've learned from such games while not so much of actual taught history.

They're poor history teachers, i mean it goes quite wild after the game starts...

[Stworca]

Hearts of Iron 2 is the single best game about WORLD War 2. Note the emphasis on World.
No matter how entertaining it is to control a single god-like commando in CoD, or a small army in RTS.. Shaping the entire world wins. I didn't like 3. Every campaign felt the same.

I liked Europa Universalis and Crusader kings, but they were mediocre with very few possibilities. After a few hours it gets repetitive.

Victoria is something i'm trying at the moment. So far i like it.

[Cheese]

Is it worth getting HoI 2 if I already have 3? I didn't like 3 that much because of how much it steers you but WW2 still interests me.

[Majestic7]

Europa Universalis II was a good history teacher with all the historical events. EUIII is just a generic strategy game sandbox. It is pretty boring as vanilla, Magna Mundi totally saves it. I'm definitely going to buy Magna Mundi the game. Regarding their new games, I look forward to CK2, but it will likely fall short again, mainly offering sandbox enviroment and mods will provide the real content. Regardless, as Paradox is the only of its kind in making strategy games like that, they deserve all the monetary support they can get.

[Simmura McCrea]

Europa Universalis II was a good history teacher with all the historical events. EUIII is just a generic strategy game sandbox. It is pretty boring as vanilla, Magna Mundi totally saves it. I'm definitely going to buy Magna Mundi the game. Regarding their new games, I look forward to CK2, but it will likely fall short again, mainly offering sandbox enviroment and mods will provide the real content. Regardless, as Paradox is the only of its kind in making strategy games like that, they earn all the monetary support they can get.

Honestly, I disagree with the Magna Mundi statement. I realise I'm in the minority in this, but I really didn't like Magna Mundi, and I really enjoy vanilla. It's the game I've spent most time on, ever.

[Majestic7]

Honestly, I disagree with the Magna Mundi statement. I realise I'm in the minority in this, but I really didn't like Magna Mundi, and I really enjoy vanilla. It's the game I've spent most time on, ever.

As a wild guess, you enjoy taking over the whole world, literally, when starting as a one province minor or the like? Well, to each their own. I find things like that boring, I want historically plausible game. I want there to be problems in maintaining huge empires, instead of it being a breeze to rule two continents. If I want to take over the world, I'll rather play MTW2. Oh wait, I play that too only with mods nowadays (Stainless Steel ftw). 

Yeah, Magna Mundi has some problems - like how ridicilously powerful Barbary Pirates are. Like if you have a huge land empire with one (recently conquered) port, how on Earth can a single pirate raid totally destroy your economy for years... Likewise pissing off the Emperor of HRE has silly effects, the negative effects of HRE displeasure should dilute with distance to it or something.

edit - I'm having a dyslexia day or something, loads of typos everywhere.

[Simmura McCrea]

No, I like the challenge of building up a country from a few provinces. I've never managed a world conquest, and doubt I will for some time. I really enjoyed playing as Georgia and spending 30-some years getting the upper hand on that little horde next door. I enjoyed turning the Papal States into the Middle East. I loved turning Munster into the America-spanning, China crushing monster-Ireland it became.

[Majestic7]

No, I like the challenge of building up a country from a few provinces. I've never managed a world conquest, and doubt I will for some time. I really enjoyed playing as Georgia and spending 30-some years getting the upper hand on that little horde next door. I enjoyed turning the Papal States into the Middle East. I loved turning Munster into the America-spanning, China crushing monster-Ireland it became.

I think all those things are possible and 600% more fun in MM.

[Stworca]

Is it worth getting HoI 2 if I already have 3? I didn't like 3 that much because of how much it steers you but WW2 still interests me.

Opinions may differ, but i'd say yes. However "yes" ONLY if you get Doomsday + Armageddon, and not the vanilla. Possibly with a mod called DAIM. You're in for some epic worldshaping and history being re-written.
The Paradox AI is very good mind you, much better than in 3, but still has some holes. DAIM turns it into something more.. worthy.

Some people love HoI3 though, and one should respect that too.