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[alfie275]

*cough*Hammer editor*cough* Seriously, there are gonna be some very good mappacks, I mean, look at Portal 1, it had loads of mappacks (eg Portal:TFV, Blue Portals).


One thing bugs me though, I noticed a distinct lack of energy ball puzzles.

[Tilla]

*cough*Hammer editor*cough* Seriously, there are gonna be some very good mappacks, I mean, look at Portal 1, it had loads of mappacks (eg [urlhttp://portalmaps.wecreatestuff.com/]Portal:TFV[/url], Blue Portals).


One thing bugs me though, I noticed a distinct lack of energy ball puzzles.

Energy Balls were more annoying than useful, they were effectively replaced by the lasers.

[Deon]

Okay, I've just finished the singleplayer.

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I feel kinda sad for Whitley. I mean, it's totally understandable what happened to him. In real life small humans which are not evil sometimes end in such situation. If a person is pushed around by everyone and has tons of complexes, when he somehow usurps power he can become powermad easily and stop understanding what he does. That, and the drugs (the feeling of euphoria for getting the "tests completed").

And he was programmed like that... Whitley is a VERY charming character, his dialogue and voice acting are really great. And GLADoS aka Caroline + AI was always a great character.

I really liked this game.

P.S. Now I've just realised that there are only three main characters acting in this game... And that's enough. I usually bitch about lack of characters in many adventure/plot-driven games, so it's awesome how they've managed to make just 3 of them to be such great that they take up all the space .

[Jreengus]

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If you play the developer commentary they said they were torn as to what his punishment should be. A wrist slap seemed to be too little for him tying to kill you and destroying the facility but they'd didn't really want to kill him. So he gets spaced instead.

Also for the still alive achievement do you have to complete all 9 chambers in a row without dying? Because I did it with a friend where we managed each individual chamber without dying by going back and redoing those we'd died in but we didn't get the achievement.

[Omegastick]

Can anyone who's watched the dev comments tell me what the comment next to the

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second stalemate resolution button

says? I miss timed my click and can't be bothered to go back and do the whole chapter again.

[qwertyuiopas]

I've played about 20 hours in single-player, between the first 6 actually beating it (of which steam only recorded 1.3), and collecting achievements/watching the commentary/revisiting particularily good locations/continuing playing after accomplishing my original goal.

All that before even touching co-op, and certainly before getting to play with the dev tools.

$/hour, this next test chamber is.... looking preeety good.

[Thexor]

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Can anyone who's watched the dev comments tell me what the comment next to the second stalemate resolution button says? I miss timed my click and can't be bothered to go back and do the whole chapter again.

It might not need to be spoilered, but hey, might as well, since it does reference a spoiler-worthy object. Not like anybody on their first (pre-spoiler-reading) run-through would have answers about the developer commentary, anyways. 

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That last node talks about planting a portal on the moon. The distance to the moon is ~1.3 light-seconds, and initially Valve honoured that. Problem was, given that they'd just come off a highly-intense boss fight and were on the verge of death, players would fire a shot at the moon, realize nothing had (immediately) happened, and start looking elsewhere for the solution, after which the 1.3 seconds would expire and they'd be confused as to what had happened. The devs considered a few different solutions, including one that handwaved instant portal transmission via quantum entanglement, before finally deciding on the system they finally used. (Namely, locking your camera view and showing the flying portal as a twinkle.)

[Omegastick]

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Can anyone who's watched the dev comments tell me what the comment next to the second stalemate resolution button says? I miss timed my click and can't be bothered to go back and do the whole chapter again.

It might not need to be spoilered, but hey, might as well, since it does reference a spoiler-worthy object. Not like anybody on their first (pre-spoiler-reading) run-through would have answers about the developer commentary, anyways. 

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That last node talks about planting a portal on the moon. The distance to the moon is ~1.3 light-seconds, and initially Valve honoured that. Problem was, given that they'd just come off a highly-intense boss fight and were on the verge of death, players would fire a shot at the moon, realize nothing had (immediately) happened, and start looking elsewhere for the solution, after which the 1.3 seconds would expire and they'd be confused as to what had happened. The devs considered a few different solutions, including one that handwaved instant portal transmission via quantum entanglement, before finally deciding on the system they finally used. (Namely, locking your camera view and showing the flying portal as a twinkle.)

Thanks!

[Draco18s]

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That last node talks about planting a portal on the moon. The distance to the moon is ~1.3 light-seconds, and initially Valve honoured that. Problem was, given that they'd just come off a highly-intense boss fight and were on the verge of death, players would fire a shot at the moon, realize nothing had (immediately) happened, and start looking elsewhere for the solution, after which the 1.3 seconds would expire and they'd be confused as to what had happened. The devs considered a few different solutions, including one that handwaved instant portal transmission via quantum entanglement, before finally deciding on the system they finally used. (Namely, locking your camera view and showing the flying portal as a twinkle.)

Oh that's cool.

[Fikes]

I don’t feel like I got my money’s worth. The problem with co-op is that I will undoubtedly end up playing with people who have already beaten the puzzles and that will sap the fun out of things.

That isn’t to say I didn’t enjoy the game, I had a fair amount of fun. But, based on the price difference, I was expecting 5 times the content of Portal 1 and ended up with only about 2 times (It took me about 4 hours to beat Portal 1, I remember because I skipped an evening class and played late).

Just because you enjoy something doesn’t mean it is a good value. The best steaks I have ever had in my life where always way too much money per ounce of meat.

[Omegastick]

I don’t feel like I got my money’s worth. The problem with co-op is that I will undoubtedly end up playing with people who have already beaten the puzzles and that will sap the fun out of things.

That isn’t to say I didn’t enjoy the game, I had a fair amount of fun. But, based on the price difference, I was expecting 5 times the content of Portal 1 and ended up with only about 2 times (It took me about 4 hours to beat Portal 1, I remember because I skipped an evening class and played late).

Just because you enjoy something doesn’t mean it is a good value. The best steaks I have ever had in my life where always way too much money per ounce of meat.

I respectfully disagree. Are you saying that you would rather play a 100+ hour game that is completely mediocre than a five hour game that is brilliant?

[Fikes]

I don’t feel like I got my money’s worth. The problem with co-op is that I will undoubtedly end up playing with people who have already beaten the puzzles and that will sap the fun out of things.

That isn’t to say I didn’t enjoy the game, I had a fair amount of fun. But, based on the price difference, I was expecting 5 times the content of Portal 1 and ended up with only about 2 times (It took me about 4 hours to beat Portal 1, I remember because I skipped an evening class and played late).

Just because you enjoy something doesn’t mean it is a good value. The best steaks I have ever had in my life where always way too much money per ounce of meat.

I respectfully disagree. Are you saying that you would rather play a 100+ hour game that is completely mediocre than a five hour game that is brilliant?

First of all, it isn’t a matter of what I would rather play. I’ll play both (assuming you replace mediocre with decent). It is a matter of which is a good enough value. Portal 1 was a brilliant 5 hour game and I am glad I played it. But it was a $10 5 hour game.

Portal 2 adds a few mechanics and doubles the length, but is 5 times as expensive. I also don’t think it is as brilliant as Portal 1 if for no other reason than it is no longer an original. I don’t see where the value is made up.

And remember, this is a question of value and getting your (well, my really) monies worth. Again, with food, just because it tastes amazing doesn’t mean it is a good value. Just because the game play is fun, doesn’t mean you got your monies worth.

[Omegastick]

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Portal 2 also includes co-op, which (as far as I have heard, I haven't actually finished the co-op yet) is twice as long as the single player. So, that brings it up to 4x as much gameplay time as the original, costing $2.50 more per hour of gameplay. Personally, I think how fun the game is at least cancels out the $2.50, but that is opinion. Many of the co-op levels are also "asymmetrical" (as the devs put it), meaning that it can be played through twice on different sides of the co-op experience.

Another thing to note is that Portal 1 was incredibly good value for money, and just because Portal 2 is merely good value for money doesn't mean that portal 2 is bad value for money (even though it is, perhaps, slightly worse value in comparison to Portal 1).

[Thexor]

I don’t feel like I got my money’s worth. The problem with co-op is that I will undoubtedly end up playing with people who have already beaten the puzzles and that will sap the fun out of things.

That isn’t to say I didn’t enjoy the game, I had a fair amount of fun. But, based on the price difference, I was expecting 5 times the content of Portal 1 and ended up with only about 2 times (It took me about 4 hours to beat Portal 1, I remember because I skipped an evening class and played late).

Just because you enjoy something doesn’t mean it is a good value. The best steaks I have ever had in my life where always way too much money per ounce of meat.

Well, if you're interested in playing co-op with a complete co-op novice... *cough cough* 


But yeah, value is all relative. As much as we may try to convince you that we consider Portal 2 to be a good value, there's no guarantee we'll be able to convince you. That said, even if you're not convinced, I wouldn't forget that Valve has promised DLC, and in the past, Valve's concept of DLC has usually been "free downloadable updates". At the very least, they mentioned that something similar to Portal 1's challenge maps were going to be released post-launch.

[Omegastick]

Well, if you're interested in playing co-op with a complete co-op novice... *cough cough* 

You don't mind me adding you, do you?