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[Kogut]

I don't see why they shouldn't be included. I remember Toady saying in a DF Talk that if you can prove something existed before the 1400s (the historical cut off point for DF) then it could be included.

AFAIK you remember it wrong. Toady is against guns, amen.

[ZachUSAman]

dwarves are extremely connected to the earth, which is why they are always mining, and why can link a lever and another device using only 2 mechanisms. they could never do something that would destroy earth.

[Kogut]

digging?

[Syrup Roast]

[dwarves] could never do something that would destroy earth.

That sounds like elf-talk.

Far as I know, you strike the earth not make friends with it.

[ZachUSAman]

[dwarves] could never do something that would destroy earth.

That sounds like elf-talk.

Far as I know, you strike the earth not make friends with it.

earth.. not trees.
or I should say ores/rocks I guess...
and Dwarves seek shelter in the earth, they find their ores for metals in the earth, they find their gems in the earth, and they grow their fields in the earth so that they may brew a mighty brew.

[GreatWyrmGold]

This.

Although, after four pages, it's possible that no one is still on the original topic.

[Daetrin]

Given that gunpowder was used for mining long before guns, some equivalent thereof would probably be reasonable.  But then again, when Toady finishes the magic arc it may be that specific utility of gunpowder becomes irrelevent.

[Mountain-King]

guns would be kind of silly, but gunpowder would still be cool

once you had explosions with proper physics, you could make your own cannons by putting gunpowder and stones in metal tubes, maybe

[ZachUSAman]

guns would be kind of silly, but gunpowder would still be cool

once you had explosions with proper physics, you could make your own cannons by putting gunpowder and stones in metal tubes, maybe

or elves...

[UnrealJake]

Hookers existed LOOOONG before the 1400's...

I now know what half of my idlers will now do.

[Oliolli]

If booze could be worked in the same manner as water we could have flamethrowers...

A booze reservoir, a large amount of pumps, a narrow hallway and some fire.

[Bleaktea]

If booze could be worked in the same manner as water we could have flamethrowers...

Free-flowing booze would have a thousand uses, not the least of which would be creating "dwarven wine mist" waterfalls in the meeting hall.  Sure, one spark and the fortress goes up like the Hindenburg, but until then you can get drunk simply by breathing the air, which would save our dwarves a lot of time.

[TolyK]

toady doesn't like it.

personally, I just want powder kegs that produce cave-in-like results

[druid91]

As far as grape shot there are mangonels. Basically the equivalent but it's a catapult.

[Oliolli]

If booze could be worked in the same manner as water we could have flamethrowers...

Free-flowing booze would have a thousand uses, not the least of which would be creating "dwarven wine mist" waterfalls in the meeting hall.  Sure, one spark and the fortress goes up like the Hindenburg, but until then you can get drunk simply by breathing the air, which would save our dwarves a lot of time.

Would also result in much nicer magma-related deaths, what with the "dwarven wine covering"s and all...