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[Urist is dead tome]

This is fucking stupid.

Let me make this clear.  You argue that women should not be allowed in the infantry because there's no way they could meet your desired weight-lifting standards.  Okay--whatever.  I know nothing about the infantry.  I know nothing about weight-lifting.

What I do have a problem with is that you're making this about women.  Make it about your insane standards.  I don't give a crap where you put that line, because again, I know nothing about it.  What I have a problem with is your apparent decision that these standards specifically outlaw women, rather than that they outlaw a lot of people and women might happen to be a good large part of that group.  As I said, I do somewhat agree with Nikov's argument, or at the very least I'm not sure about it.  But if you decide it's about entrance exams, decide it's about entrance exams, for better or for worse, whether women end up fighting or not.

The question you need to ask yourself is this:

If a women could meet those standards--a theoretical woman, perhaps naturally gifted, perhaps not, who even gives a crap anymore--would you let her in?  Forget logistics.  Forget all of that.  Just ask yourself, honestly, whether this is about weight-lifting or if it is about women.  It seems that you are arguing to exclude women more than you are arguing for higher standards in general, simply because they are marked as women.

And, as we all know, language is arbitrary... so address what's there, rather than what is usually there (or what you want to be there), and stop making assumptions that are going to kick you in the face.

If the women in question meet the test then they should be let in. I sure don't like it but I can't deny that they are qualified and should be allowed.

[Criptfeind]

When have I lied, you're just slinging mud now.

This was a clear lie:

I have already stated quite early in the thread why, go back and read.

[Darvi]

what the hell have you been arguing then?

[Vector]

what the hell have you been arguing then?

=/

[Puzzlemaker]

I believe he is a sexist troll.

[Criptfeind]

Anyway, I know this is not the mafia subform, but in this case LAL may apply.

[Darvi]

Nah, I don't think he's a troll. But he should get his priorities straight first or something.

LAL? Lynch all lurkers?

[Urist is dead tome]

I believe he is a sexist troll.

If you think someone is a troll report them and be done with it, otherwise you are being detrimental to the forum.

[Criptfeind]

You know it is not that easy. Unless they go past a certain point, it is not appropriate to report a troll.

[Urist is dead tome]

Here are my views, these replace anything stated earlier in the thread.

Women, if qualified, should be allowed in gender segregated platoons, they should have the same standards as the men. And if we're going to have mixed gender bases then we're going to have uni-sex showers. Not giving women infantry training would be detrimental and dangerous. Also bigger penalties for raping them, equally large penalties for attempting to cover it up

There, if I missed anything I'll post more on that

You know it is not that easy. Unless they go past a certain point, it is not appropriate to report a troll.

If someone is a troll they've already gone too far.

[Darvi]

then we're going to have uni-sex showers

°_o

[Urist is dead tome]

then we're going to have uni-sex showers

°_o

If someone who is supposed to fight for my country can't take a shower with a woman then he is not qualified to be given a rifle.

[Darvi]

True, but how are you supposed to check that?

Or rather, don't risk anything and don't make it unisex. Screw logistics.

[Phmcw]

So you're now in favor of allowing women in the infantry ?

[Urist is dead tome]

True, but how are you supposed to check that?

You ask them if they would be comfortable showering with women and or men.

So you're now in favor of allowing women in the infantry ?

No but I can't stop them so I gave up.