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[Edosurist]

We need to start the first DWARVEN PRIZE awards. (after the Nobel Prize, duh) Lots of people have said this (and to the extent of my knowledge, including looking it up there is none), but I REALLY think we need to start the DP awards. If this possible new movement gets enough support, how would we go about this?

please let me know if there is already something going on, lol

[Uristocrat]

It would be lovely if dfprospector would organize its output someday, but until then, here's the sorted version of that output for anyone else who wants to see it.

The upshot of this all is that you have everything one could want except for bismuth, platinum, aluminum, nickel, gypsum & some type of coal, which is pretty dang awesome, all things considered.  Those things are usually rather easy to import in reasonable quantities (assuming the civ has access to them?) and the easy magma makes the lack of coal or lignite no big deal.

Metals

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Have:  Tin, Adamant, Zinc, Iron, Gold, Silver, Copper, & Lead
Missing:  Bismuth, Platinum, Aluminum, & Nickel

CASSITERITE : 612
RAW_ADAMANTINE : 2986
SPHALERITE : 3780
HEMATITE : 11529
NATIVE_GOLD : 13052
TETRAHEDRITE : 20043
GALENA : 132110

Stones:

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Have:  Sand (black), Flux (Marble, Dolomite, Limestone), Obsidian
Missing:  Coal, Gypsum

REALGAR : 79
BRIMSTONE : 173
RUTILE : 284
STIBNITE : 642
HORNBLENDE : 1194
COBALTITE : 2804
MICA : 5544
LIMESTONE : 8094
OLIVINE : 8386
CRYOLITE : 11299
GNEISS : 23317
DOLOMITE : 44530
ORTHOCLASE : 51636
QUARTZITE : 55663
MICROCLINE : 71152
PHYLLITE : 81976
DACITE : 103536
ANDESITE : 121717
MARBLE : 137160
SCHIST : 167411
RHYOLITE : 187827
SLATE : 203949
OBSIDIAN : 211955
DIORITE : 304514
GABBRO : 339757
GRANITE : 1020591

Gems:

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HONEY YELLOW BERYL : 6
BLACK PYROPE : 9
CLEAR GARNET : 12
OPAL_PFIRE : 15
PERIDOT : 17
YELLOW JASPER : 18
OPAL_REDFLASH : 19
YELLOW GROSSULAR : 24
EMERALD : 34
SPINEL_PURPLE : 38
OPAL_LEVIN : 39
AMBER OPAL : 40
GREEN TOURMALINE : 42
MOONSTONE : 59
PRASE OPAL : 63
SARDONYX : 67
PIPE OPAL : 67
PINEAPPLE OPAL : 69
RHODOLITE : 79
ALEXANDRITE : 85
SHELL OPAL : 89
WAX OPAL : 93
GRAPHITE : 112
RESIN OPAL : 113
HELIODOR : 120
GOLDEN BERYL : 141
CITRINE : 143
RED PYROPE : 144
PINK GARNET : 189
AMETHYST : 218
OPAL_HARLEQUIN : 225
BLACK ZIRCON : 228
AQUAMARINE : 297
VIOLET SPESSARTINE : 318
SPINEL_RED : 338
SCHORL : 410
YELLOW SPESSARTINE : 464
OPAL_CLARO : 509
MELANITE : 533
RED GROSSULAR : 575
INDIGO TOURMALINE : 605
MILK QUARTZ : 618
JELLY OPAL : 685
CLEAR ZIRCON : 795
LAPIS LAZULI : 813
PINK TOURMALINE : 886
OPAL_PINFIRE : 887
RED ZIRCON : 914
MOSS OPAL : 950
QUARTZ_ROSE : 1166
GREEN ZIRCON : 1187
BROWN ZIRCON : 1191
WOOD OPAL : 1347
CHRYSOBERYL : 1536
TANZANITE : 1564
PYROLUSITE : 1818
RUBICELLE : 2093
MORION : 2178
PYRITE : 2194
OPAL_BANDFIRE : 2312
SMOKY QUARTZ : 2383
CRYSTAL_ROCK : 2487
YELLOW ZIRCON : 2979
ALMANDINE : 3976
PRASE : 4448
MORGANITE : 7693

[iyaerP]

So does anyone else think this would be the perfect place to build a fort designed purely for attacking a demonic fortress, securing it, taking the adamantine weapon, and then defeating the horde of demons that emerge?

[wuphonsreach]

It would be lovely if dfprospector would organize its output someday, but until then, here's the sorted version of that output for anyone else who wants to see it.

DFProspector organizes its output based on the quantity of material found in the embark.

[Poch]

Hey ! A lot of people seems interested in this map, i'm glad if i have helped some of you to find a nice spot !

14 years playing on it, i can say it is not perfect, but still, it is a very good one I was looking for a little more challenge, so having the perfect map in material exhaustivity would make it not perfect for me ^^ (not sure if i am clear here).

The upshot of this all is that you have everything one could want except for bismuth, platinum, aluminum, nickel, gypsum & some type of coal, which is pretty dang awesome, all things considered.  Those things are usually rather easy to import in reasonable quantities (assuming the civ has access to them?) and the easy magma makes the lack of coal or lignite no big deal.

+1000

My civ is "The Crazy Works", and i ask them to bring nickel, platinum, silver, aluminium and light-red-blocks (for my hospital cross) and they bring me ore/bar/blocks every year.

I'm lacking nickel (my noble demands are about it) & silver (warhammers), and the other materials are mainly for high-value purposes. One of my objectives is to manage to create a platinum-warhammer-artifact as it is better than silver for thoses. Currently having to trade for them is not really hard, but is adds some challenge, which is exactly what i was looking for with this map. You have to secure the trading liaison year over year to get the benefits of your past trades.

I don't know if it is good or not to have everything else, compared with more classical DF maps. If you say it is quite awesome, i believe you
I know it is lacking diamonds too, but i don't really care as there is already plenty of high value gems here. But not having the highest-value gems may be a drawback ?

Two in-game years have passed and still no ambush. When are they supposed to come?

PD - Only two snatchers (caged snatchers now) tried to enter I thought it would be lot more difficult than normal maps.

I guess you're lucky then, because in my fort, after one or two years, the hills are ALWAYS infested with goblins, and every single trade caravan get slaughtered in a couple of minutes after their arrival (i've locked my dwarves in). I need at least half-a-dozen well trained military dwarves + a few marksdwarves to ensure the security of the surroundings, as i can be embushed by 4 to 5 goblin squads at once.

I'm only opening the doors to let the dwarf caravan and outpost liaison in (even if this little guy get killed from time to time).

I havent been sieged right now, but as my military is very weak and i did never really managed to kill the goblin invaders, it is maybe normal. On the other hand, i have only seen one snatcher in 14 years of game in this map ! I'm running at 130FPS so the years are passing very quickly, and i spend a lot of my time watching them doing stuff

I have done something like 4 or 5 well running fortresses before, and finally get bored because of the lack of challenge once the first squads got well trained. Here i have already lost a lot of military dwarves, and it is the first time i am still locked-in most of the year-time after 14 years of play ! Ok, i focused mainly on production and organization, and not on military, but i just never had to build that much coffins before ^^

I would say : create value and wait one or two more years, and it should do it ! (i hope)

Now, my question is : when will i really see very dangerous creatures related to the evil biomes ? When i will be able to deal with goblin ambush easily ? Need more created value ? They are in the caverns ? I am not often out, but i am seeing a lot of dark gnomes and goblins for now, and i must admit i was expecting a little more.

More feedback next time. I'm interested in yours, too !

[mimmfantry]

Well I havent had your good luck with the map, halfway through the first springs a werewolf came through my fortress before I could even get a bridge up to block off and seal myself up inside. He ripped apart all 7 of my starting dwarves and I unzipped the map again to try again, this time I managed to get the bridge up before the werewolves came, and they sat around till some migrants came, and ripped them to shreds before wandering off.

[Poch]

I must admit i have encoutered one or two Werewolves and Unicorns, too. But the most dangerous thing i ever faced on this map from now came from inside : a berserk yak cow (locked-in merchants) who has managed to kill an almost-legendary, steel-equiped dwarf 

I had to use RuneSmith to create a new military dwarf and boost up his skills to a VERY HIGH level so he could kill the cow. I send him outside after that (i dont want a cheated dwarf in my military) and he managed to kill a LOT of goblins before he died. His fight with the berserk cow was a close one. I was really surprised, the yak cow had the same effect on my fortress than a Forgotten Beast without any way to stop it... Forced to hack my only military dwarf skills to survive it, coz there was no way i loose 15 hours of gameplay because of a stupid cow.

I tried 4 or 5 times with runesmith, upgrading my dwarf step by step, and he was killed every time until a had something like 2000+ in attributes and a level of 14 in combat skill. He was equiped with steel sword and a correct armor.

So, if you want some challenge, lock those merchants in, kill the traders, and wait for the Yaks to go berserk 

[Uristocrat]

It would be lovely if dfprospector would organize its output someday, but until then, here's the sorted version of that output for anyone else who wants to see it.

DFProspector organizes its output based on the quantity of material found in the embark.

Yeah, but that's not terribly useful.  I submitted a feature request a while back that it separate things so that you can see what smeltable ores, flux, coal, stone & gems you have separately.  Otherwise, you have to scan through all those gems to see if you have coal somewhere on the list.

[alcohol_dependent]

I must admit i have encoutered one or two Werewolves and Unicorns, too. But the most dangerous thing i ever faced on this map from now came from inside : a berserk yak cow (locked-in merchants) who has managed to kill an almost-legendary, steel-equiped dwarf 

I had to use RuneSmith to create a new military dwarf and boost up his skills to a VERY HIGH level so he could kill the cow. I send him outside after that (i dont want a cheated dwarf in my military) and he managed to kill a LOT of goblins before he died. His fight with the berserk cow was a close one. I was really surprised, the yak cow had the same effect on my fortress than a Forgotten Beast without any way to stop it... Forced to hack my only military dwarf skills to survive it, coz there was no way i loose 15 hours of gameplay because of a stupid cow.

I tried 4 or 5 times with runesmith, upgrading my dwarf step by step, and he was killed every time until a had something like 2000+ in attributes and a level of 14 in combat skill. He was equiped with steel sword and a correct armor.

So, if you want some challenge, lock those merchants in, kill the traders, and wait for the Yaks to go berserk 

Should have killed it like a real dwarf. Shame on you for cheating.

coz there was no way i loose 15 hours of gameplay because of a stupid cow.

Welcome to Dwarf Fortress!

No wonder you get bored due to lack of challenge.. you bust out Runesmith when you get what you're asking for. Makes no sense.

[Slackratchet]

I am pretty certain that in a game like this there is no such thing as cheating.

[Poch]

lol, depends on your own perception of cheating.

Personnaly, for example i am not proud of it, but i think it is ok to preserve my whole fortress from a berserk cow (i would have never have thought they were so powerful !!!) using RuneSmith and then sacrifying the dwarf.

But after i tried the "danger room" and have trained a dwarf from no skill at all to legendary fighter and shield user in 5 minutes i have decided not to use it anymore, because this really seems like an exploit !

So in my case, hacking the game directly was maybe less cheating than using the danger room to train all my military ?

After all, challenge is a personnal notion depending on what youre good at, what you like to do, and what you are not ready to accept (losing hours of gameplay is really sad ^^)

But i must admit using runesmith is very evil, i won't do it again, i promise 

[alcohol_dependent]

lol, depends on your own perception of cheating.

Personnaly, for example i am not proud of it, but i think it is ok to preserve my whole fortress from a berserk cow (i would have never have thought they were so powerful !!!) using RuneSmith and then sacrifying the dwarf.

But after i tried the "danger room" and have trained a dwarf from no skill at all to legendary fighter and shield user in 5 minutes i have decided not to use it anymore because, this really seems like an exploit !

After all, challenge is a personnal notion depending on what youre good at, what you like to do, and what you are not ready to accept (losing hours of gameplay is really sad ^^)

But i must admit using runesmith is very evil, i won't do it again, i promise 

May Armok forgive you.

BTW you're right about danger rooms.

A great alternative is to start with a "drill sergeant" type dwarf with good teacher/military skill.

Also, build an arena. Basically build a bunch of cage traps, trap entire sieges, disarm their weapons, load them into a stockpile with small channel holes above your arena. Station dwarves in arena, lock off arena, pit siegers, slay siegers slowly and painfully using wooden weapons, clean up the mess.

Bloodsport is great training. Arenas need great management.

Streamline the process so you can do it in as few commands as possible. So dwarfy. I love it.

[slink]

There is only cheating in DF if you've agreed to follow some rules, as for a competition or in a community fortress.   

One of my original seven is in the hospital after an attack by a werewolf.  He is a miner and so was able to kill the beast.  He seems to be stuck at the step of getting a diagnosis, but at least my Chief Medical Dwarf is getting lots of skill in diagnoses.

While this was stalled because someone else had posted and I didn't realize it hadn't gone through, my wounded Dwarf finally got out of bed and started walking around as usual.  He's still infected, with a torn artery and nerve damage, but he's showing no pain and moving normally.  Weird.

[Qwernt]

There is only cheating in DF if you've agreed to follow some rules, as for a competition or in a community fortress.   

One of my original seven is in the hospital after an attack by a werewolf.  He is a miner and so was able to kill the beast.  He seems to be stuck at the step of getting a diagnosis, but at least my Chief Medical Dwarf is getting lots of skill in diagnoses.

While this was stalled because someone else had posted and I didn't realize it hadn't gone through, my wounded Dwarf finally got out of bed and started walking around as usual.  He's still infected, with a torn artery and nerve damage, but he's showing no pain and moving normally.  Weird.

 
Just wait til the next full moon, he should heal right up... wouldn't that be cool.

[Reelyanoob]

After all, challenge is a personnal notion depending on what youre good at, what you like to do, and what you are not ready to accept (losing hours of gameplay is really sad ^^)

But i must admit using runesmith is very evil, i won't do it again, i promise 

You ever put seasonal autosave on? With your machine running 130fps, how could you lose hours of gameplay?