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[inteuniso]

There cannot be perfect society, because we are not perfect beings.

[GlyphGryph]

Robots. Automation. Everything that needs to be done to produce what we need to live is automagical and thus free to all. Raw materials are pretty much free to all.

Then each individual will be guaranteed to have what they need to live, allowing them to live their life on their own terms - socializing and partying, achieving the respect of their scientific peers, entertaining with clever ideas, pushing the boundaries of art and otherwise finding their own purposes to which to devote themselves.

[Ochita]

May I bring in the ship from WALL-E?

[Askot Bokbondeler]

my utopy would be less based around rewarding effort but punishing laziness. i'd abolish large scale property rights (you could own objects but not hoard, you couldn't own land, but if you liven in an house long enough you could acquire legal rights over it, etc.) and everything would be available for everybody. people wouldn't have personal computers with hard drives and processors, but rather portable devices that would connect to a communitarian super computer network, people wouldn't have personal vehicles but the public transportation would be greatly improved (think streets paved with conveyor belts). people would be assigned menial jobs by default, i'm thinking 5 hours work days, but could take classes to follow specific careers. not working would be considered a crime, baring any exempting or extenuating circumstances, and criminals would be negated access to some *goods*, like computers and leisure facilities, and would constantly be nagged by psychiatrists and career advisors.
people wouldn't vote, i'd be in charge.

[Realmfighter]

There cannot be perfect society, because we are not perfect beings.

There cannot be Perfect Society, Because Perfect is Subjective.

Well, at least not Perfect for all.

But my idea of Utopia is a Place where everyone's Idea of perfection is what there is now.

[Nikov]

Friedman libertarianism. All men equal under law, and let each man be free to reach his own potential.

[mainiac]

I'd like to see a social democracy where influencing elections or policy with money (i.e. lobbying) is viewed as treason and power is derived from a proportionally representative unicameral legislature.  I'd also like to see government subsidy of media based off readership without regards to agenda and the abolition of traditional copyright.  Ideally this takes place in space where the abundance of materials for O'Neil cylinders means that different ideologies can peacefully coexist without needing to compete for land or resources.

I believe that under such conditions, humanities better instincts would win out and would produce a society that would be quite humane in most regards and would be superior to whatever specific details I could imagine.  If we could destroy the forces that keep mankind from making a perfect society mankind will free itself.  With no money, nations or scarcity to fight for we'd be in good shape.

[anzki4]

My Utopia would be a really, really left. Preferably without war and a system regarding money that dosen't involve the poor suffering.

Yeah. That's never going to happen 

This.

[MonkeyHead]

ANyone mentioned Iain M Bank's Culture yet? Socialist, Post Scarcity, AI run, Democratic to the extreme, tolerant, open... my idea of perfect at least.

[scriver]

But my idea of Utopia is a Place where everyone's Idea of perfection is what there is now.

Eehr.. Seriously? So not only we be content with what we have now, we should also view great social, economical, legal and resourcial injustice as "perfection"? Be wholly satisfied with the belief that it is okay to feel hate, comtempt and/or do violence against other people just for differing in gender/colour/ethnicity/social status/behaviour/sexuality/beliefs/age or any other of the overwhelming amount of ridiculous things people judge other people after? All is for the best in the best of worlds? Seriously, of all the (I guess sometimes knowingly) ridiculous "utopias" posted so far, this is the only one that not only outrages me, it also frightens the hell out of me that anyone could actually and seriously think that! Really, how can you look at the rotten, dung-filled, rancid little shithole that is our modern world and not only be okay with it, but even go so far as to call it "perfection"?

Edit: It seems the forum swallowed half my post. Well, maybe that was for the best anyway.. Basically, I just ranted and swore some more and then concluded that I could never understand anyone being content with this world-garden of ours, to paraphrase Voltaire, and that I intend to at least try to grow something out of it.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

i don't think that's what he meant, i think he meant that his idea of utopia is a place where everybody's idea of perfection matches their current society. everybody has a different idea of perfection, he's saying that to reach an utopia everybody would need to agree on what is perfect, or the utopia would have to please everybody despite their differences

[GlyphGryph]

May I bring in the ship from WALL-E?

Yes, and I'm sure that some portion of the population would end up that way. But most of us? Probably not realistic. I mean, look through history at the nobility - sure, there were a bunch of fat slobs, but also some amazing people who did amazing things because they didn't have to worry about the money.

[scriver]

i don't think that's what he meant, i think he meant that his idea of utopia is a place where everybody's idea of perfection matches their current society. everybody has a different idea of perfection, he's saying that to reach an utopia everybody would need to agree on what is perfect, or the utopia would have to please everybody despite their differences

Maybe. Looking back, I can't really tell what he meant. But it seems most likely, to me, that the point was that everybody should agree that the world is utopian as it is now. Still, perhaps I reacted too soon and/or too harsh.. All the better that the worse part of it vanished, I guess.

May I bring in the ship from WALL-E?

Yes, and I'm sure that some portion of the population would end up that way. But most of us? Probably not realistic. I mean, look through history at the nobility - sure, there were a bunch of fat slobs, but also some amazing people who did amazing things because they didn't have to worry about the money.

Have you considered the ratio of slobs to amazoids?

[Armok]

Jokes aside, anyone who is ACTUALLY CURIOUS, about knowing the science about this not just discussing it on a forum, should research Fun Theory.

[Criptfeind]

Armok. I am going to go out on a limb here and say, without looking up what you are trying to say in my Armok to English dictionary, you are wrong.