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8 (7%)

Democrat

16 (13.9%)

Other Party (There are more than two? Amazing!)

20 (17.4%)

FUCK the political party system!

24 (20.9%)

I'm one of them foriegnerz and I'm just voting so I can annoy Heli

47 (40.9%)

Total Members Voted: 115

[Strife26]

Actually, you'd have to get the hobo to register to vote before he could cast said vote, which would add a few more steps to the process (unless he's living in North Dakota, which doesn't require registration). Another reason why *my* state is the best.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

still trying top stay on topic.

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Damn it Gorjo. take some god damn responsibility. You can't just say "Oh well... We voted them in but they are not what we expected! They are totally not ours anymore no takesy backsys."

You vote a politician in and that is your politician. You can not 'hijack' voters, it makes no sense!

For the record, I can't (legally) vote.

That's what hobos and $20 bills are for man!

There aren't actually any hobos where I live. And burning gas money to go somewhere to give a hobo a $20 to vote for me when he'll just pocket the twenty and forget the whole thing? Naah, not worth it.

Duh, that's why you have to give the hobo the $20 after he votes (or at least goes into a voting booth and pretends to vote).

Exactly.

"Damn It" criptfiend I did and still do and if you cannot understand the point then just say so.  Plenty of people have said the same thing here.  Whats pissing you off so much, the more I try to be reasonable and calm and thoughful of your discourse in this discussion the more distasteful your words are towards me.  Am I missing something?

Please prove this without op-eds.  Please provide the facts detailing the financial transactions.  Please tell me who gets how much money when and from who.  Please tell us which tea party organizations receive all this false funding and how people like me arent really in a grassroots movment, but instead following the dictates of some bogeyman.  Maybe he has psychic powers and forced me to join the tea party.  I dunno.  Convince me of your opinion with facts.

Gorjo ...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tea_Party#Financial_support'

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?_r=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz9OEURcpg0&feature=related

http://hnn.us/articles/134859.html

Ill read them and get back to you. Although I allready see "opinion" in one links title.

[froodle]

Speaking of Tea Party financing ... Is it just me, or do the Koch brothers remind you of those two old, rich guys in Eddie Murphy's Trading Places?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s74qrOyJJv4

[Criptfeind]

Your condescending tone is what is pissing me off. Also the fact you keep ignoring facts to hold onto your little delusion about your party.

[froodle]

Ill read them and get back to you. Although I allready see "opinion" in one links title.[/spoiler]

Nearly everything's opinion these days, but there are a lot of facts in at least some of that info, especially The New Yorker piece. Sources aren't cited, but you could look them up yourself. The New Yorker's not really known for making things up.

[freeformschooler]

Your condescending tone is what is pissing me off. Also the fact you keep ignoring facts to hold onto your little delusion about your party.

I thought it was pretty obvious froodle was most likely a troll (joined just to derail this topic and rile people up) and you were having fun feeding him. I sure was.

edit: oh whoops you were talking about Gorjo. Froodle is still probably a troll, though.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

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Your condescending tone is what is pissing me off. Also the fact you keep ignoring facts to hold onto your little delusion about your party.

I have been trying to speak plainly and calmly ( for the last few (fivish, eightish, dunno) posts) without emotional rips and I am honest when I thank you for the information and that I will check it out.  I am sorry that I do not just accept it out of hand and want to investigate the claims.  I am sorry that I require supporting evidence for disjoinders like ,"ignoring facts to hold onto your little delusion about your party", and when lacking said evidence dismiss it as an attempt to troll me or derail me into trolling. 

Personal note:  I do deserve some lumps for the disagreement I had with you on the orignal thread we first started argiung on.  I got quite irate and personal before realizing I sounded like a spoiled brat.  I had thought you had accepted my apologies and we had moved on, but if thats what this is about, then, ok, yeah, I deserve it.  But if not, then color me confused.

Ill read them and get back to you. Although I allready see "opinion" in one links title

Nearly everything's opinion these days, but there are a lot of facts in at least some of that info, especially The New Yorker piece. Sources aren't cited, but you could look them up yourself. The New Yorker's not really known for making things up.

Yeah, very true, I am definately going to look them up.  Also, making things up is different then spinning information to suit a narative, which is what most opinion pieces do.  Also, the New Yorker doesnt necessarily support opinions/ op-eds, but does print them for sake of free speech.  Its the author putting their name on the line in an op-ed, not the New Yorker, although that in itself is also just my opinion.  lol - but really, thanks for the articles.

edit: fixed terrible formatting

[froodle]

I thought it was pretty obvious froodle was most likely a troll (joined just to derail this topic and rile people up) and you were having fun feeding him. I sure was.

Froodle is a her ... and also not a troll.

[Heliman]

Froodle is still probably a troll, though.

[freeformschooler]

I thought it was pretty obvious froodle was most likely a troll (joined just to derail this topic and rile people up) and you were having fun feeding him. I sure was.

Froodle is a she ... and also not a troll.

To be fair, you did follow the Bay 12 Becoming a Troll Guidelines (tm)

But I'll take your word on that.

[Criptfeind]

Alright Gorjo, nice people always feel fake to me, maybe you are for real, but I can not tell. Generally I would rather have your first and raw thoughts then some dolled up stuff that you think I will like better.

Anyway what I am trying to say is you need to man up figuratively here.

When you vote someone into office and they do not preform to your specifications, don't vote them in again sure, but don't go and say they are not your fault. These people are not hijacking the tea party, they are the tea party.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

Alright Gorjo, nice people always feel fake to me, maybe you are for real, but I can not tell. Generally I would rather have your first and raw thoughts then some dolled up stuff that you think I will like better.

Anyway what I am trying to say is you need to man up figuratively here.

When you vote someone into office and they do not preform to your specifications, don't vote them in again sure, but don't go and say they are not your fault. These people are not hijacking the tea party, they are the tea party.

lol, ok, vitriole and rancor from here on out!

I agree that I/you/we/us are stuck with our own voting choices.  But, also, plenty of republicans who were most likely getting elected anyway tried to jump onto the bandwagon and proclaim themselves tea partiers.  Some Probably a lot of people got fooled.  They realized these guys are full of crap.  They realized these guys have no intention of following the tea party ideals.  Also, plenty of republicans who weren't up for re-election tried to claim tea party status but then every action they take shows their duplicitous.  This is easy to see when they use tea party fiscal conservatism to attack things they attack anyway, like the EPA and abortion.  I call that hijacking. 

The voters can only put the ship out to sea so-to-speak, its the politicians who "hijack" it and take it where they want until it returns to port.  Then the voters get a chance to kick their corrupt asses out and try again with the same original goal. So, having said that, I can now agree that the party is more a movement that a true "party" and that the movement was used by dishonest politicians (yeah , redundant, i know) to get elected who then turned on the principles they once claimed (lol - see "politician" in the dictionary).  But they didnt realize the tea party is willing to hold their asses to the fire and boot them out next cycle.  I can only hope the party retains its momentum to do so.

So fucking there dammit!  /sarc

[Criptfeind]

Okay. I guess we will see. What ever.

[Vertigon]

I was late to the thread, but if enough people vote for T-1000, he gets federal funding. Just saying.

[Aqizzar]

I know I'm a few hours late to the party, but c'est la vie.  Someday I'll have a job that lets me argue on the Internet all through the night.

The voters can only put the ship out to sea so-to-speak, its the politicians who "hijack" it and take it where they want until it returns to port.  Then the voters get a chance to kick their corrupt asses out and try again with the same original goal. So, having said that, I can now agree that the party is more a movement that a true "party" and that the movement was used by dishonest politicians (yeah , redundant, i know) to get elected who then turned on the principles they once claimed (lol - see "politician" in the dictionary).  But they didnt realize the tea party is willing to hold their asses to the fire and boot them out next cycle.  I can only hope the party retains its momentum to do so.

While I respect your forthrightness and (finally) owning up the reality that once somebody is in office, you don't have any more power over them (at the federal level anyway) but are still responsible for their actions, your "solution" is where it falls apart for me.

Do you vote in primaries?  If not, then it really doesn't matter, because way over nine times out of ten, an incumbent is going to win their party's primary.  And after that, it's a matter of either voting for another party that almost certainly represents your views even less than the incumbent in question does, or simply not voting.  If you do vote in primaries, how much research do you put into that vote, considering pretty much every candidate except the incumbent is likely to be nobody you've ever heard of, and of no prior voting position?  Doubly so for when your party-preference isn't even the incumbent.

The point being, you can say that people who don't live up to the Tea Party ideal after being elected will face retribution for their sins, but you know as well as I do how extremely unlikely that is.  In a good year, maybe 10% of registered voters actually vote in primaries, and I've already mentioned who usually wins.  After that, there is no honest denial that most Tea Party-aligned voters were already committed Republicans before 2009.  When and if they go to vote in the general election, who are they going to vote for?  No really now.

By the way, I for one am still interested in hearing your take on which federal office-holders really are committed to the Tea Party ideal and which ones are the phonies.  No pressure, I know discerning the genuine politics of 220 legislators is no small task.  I just really am curious, and obviously can't do the judging myself.