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[Flare]

I beg to differ, artillery is a lot of fun. It's too bad this is set prior to any sort of chemistry that would support such a thing.

[whitey321]

A helmet. Always a helmet. If your have no body armor your dwarf will get injuries and pass out. Once a dwarf is knocked unconscious enemies always  swing for the "best shot" endlessly bashing the armored head to no effect giving your dwarves enough time to rest and recover then return to battle. Or thats how it always works with me.

I'd agree here, this or a breastplate, so they don't get injured in the first place.

[Poindexterity]

So in my current fort I've got my military dwarves all kitted out in bronze (no iron unfortunately.)  Now that I've struck adamantine, what's the most important piece of armor to make first?  I'd rather give them all breastplates or gauntlets or something than just make a couple complete sets.

high boots.
honestly, a spear in the eye in battle is a worthy end to a great warrior.
a shattered foot and a loooooooong subsequent life of convalescence is NOT.

[Poindexterity]

Basically, it would really make a reason for us to go and brave the dangers of the caves for silk instead of collecting it just because it's valuable.

i brave the dangers of the caves for silk because i cant keep sheering animals from starving to death and im too lazy to plant pigtails.

[psychologicalshock]

I beg to differ, artillery is a lot of fun. It's too bad this is set prior to any sort of chemistry that would support such a thing.

I thought about guns too, that would be cool. It would be awesome to load up a cannon with grape shot and blow away 20 goblins in 1 shot.

In the present setting though I don't want crossbows to be the end all be all - they're not the rail guns they used to be but they still cause most of my casualties and it still seems like the best way to deal with them is crossbowmen of similar skill (thus the desire for silk armor) . Then again that might be because dwarves don't spar enough to train up their block so crossbows might seem overpowered because of that.

[Torgan]

So in my current fort I've got my military dwarves all kitted out in bronze (no iron unfortunately.)  Now that I've struck adamantine, what's the most important piece of armor to make first?  I'd rather give them all breastplates or gauntlets or something than just make a couple complete sets.

high boots.
honestly, a spear in the eye in battle is a worthy end to a great warrior.
a shattered foot and a loooooooong subsequent life of convalescence is NOT.

Crutches have been fixed in the current version, just need a bone doctor to assign one to a dwarf.

[dirty foot]

So in my current fort I've got my military dwarves all kitted out in bronze (no iron unfortunately.)  Now that I've struck adamantine, what's the most important piece of armor to make first?  I'd rather give them all breastplates or gauntlets or something than just make a couple complete sets.

high boots.
honestly, a spear in the eye in battle is a worthy end to a great warrior.
a shattered foot and a loooooooong subsequent life of convalescence is NOT.

Crutches have been fixed in the current version, just need a bone doctor to assign one to a dwarf.

Anyone else feel like, for a game so submerged in realistic thinking, it's weird that dwarves missing legs won't grab something to lean on unless a doctor tells them to?

Wow, I must be a little tipsy. That sentence was terribly built.

[Torgan]

They'll happily starve to death while a farm plot is full of plump helmets if no one has picked them, I guess dwarven unions are pretty harsh on workers doing other jobs than their own.

[V12US]

All the Spartans needed was a helmet and a loincloth.

[Dwarfoloid]

Yes, those were incredibly proliferate. Quilted cloth, gambeson, and in most cases where even metal armor is available, just layers of cloth would be used underneath it was commonly used whenever people could get their hands on it. But while it can offer resistance to a person with a pointy stick, sword, or axe, it is highly unlikely that it would offer very much protection against pointed projectiles without any other sort of stiff protection. A person would have to wear a lot of it for it to offer the protection a piece of treated plate the medievals used, to the point where it inhibits the person's movements.

There were some tests result made available on the Linothorax Project page. This link: http://www.uwgb.edu/aldreteg/AIA.Poster.LowRes2.jpg

Essentially, the types tested do seem to provide decent enough protection against arrows from light bows outside point-blank range. At long range, they would likely be resilient enough to resist even strong bows.

All the Spartans needed was a helmet and a loincloth.

You forgot the pecs and abs.

[dirty foot]

Yes, those were incredibly proliferate. Quilted cloth, gambeson, and in most cases where even metal armor is available, just layers of cloth would be used underneath it was commonly used whenever people could get their hands on it. But while it can offer resistance to a person with a pointy stick, sword, or axe, it is highly unlikely that it would offer very much protection against pointed projectiles without any other sort of stiff protection. A person would have to wear a lot of it for it to offer the protection a piece of treated plate the medievals used, to the point where it inhibits the person's movements.

There were some tests result made available on the Linothorax Project page. This link: http://www.uwgb.edu/aldreteg/AIA.Poster.LowRes2.jpg

Essentially, the types tested do seem to provide decent enough protection against arrows from light bows outside point-blank range. At long range, they would likely be resilient enough to resist even strong bows.

All the Spartans needed was a helmet and a loincloth.

You forgot the pecs and abs.

Am I reading that right in that the quilted and cross-woven armors were more effective than the laminated, when tested over 100 feet?

[xordae]

Re: Bolts piercing Adamantine. I saw the same thing happen to dwarves wearing high-quality steel armour. It went right through and broke the spine.

[Dwarfoloid]

Am I reading that right in that the quilted and cross-woven armors were more effective than the laminated, when tested over 100 feet?

I'd say that only test results for the various laminated armours are given for 100 feet.

[dirty foot]

Am I reading that right in that the quilted and cross-woven armors were more effective than the laminated, when tested over 100 feet?

I'd say that only test results for the various laminated armours are given for 100 feet.

They had two blank spots for where the quilted and woven were supposed to be. You'd think they'd have some notation on it if they were being left out entirely.

[Flare]

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Yes, those were incredibly proliferate. Quilted cloth, gambeson, and in most cases where even metal armor is available, just layers of cloth would be used underneath it was commonly used whenever people could get their hands on it. But while it can offer resistance to a person with a pointy stick, sword, or axe, it is highly unlikely that it would offer very much protection against pointed projectiles without any other sort of stiff protection. A person would have to wear a lot of it for it to offer the protection a piece of treated plate the medievals used, to the point where it inhibits the person's movements.

There were some tests result made available on the Linothorax Project page. This link: http://www.uwgb.edu/aldreteg/AIA.Poster.LowRes2.jpg

That is very interesting, and I thank you for sharing it. I wished they would test bows above the hunting level range of draw weights though. 60lbs simply isn't even on the low end of bows meant for war. It may have been a contender during the ancient days when the Greek linothorax was around, though arguably they probably should have tested slings and lead balls rather than arrows seeing as they were far more common.
Further, someone should tell them to really stop using stationary braced targets when testing armor, it's not a good for any sort of armor that a human will be wearing, particularly if one of its main features is its ability flex with the human body when struck. For an incredibly high speed projectile, it may not be very significant as it will punch through before the armor or flesh can reach, but for arrows shot from a bow below 50lbs draw weight, this is going to make a difference.

Against Balkan, Turkish, Mongol, or generally any bow that goes above a 100lb draw force, cloth armor isn't going to do very much good. Take for example the emergence of the bodkin and similar arrow heads meant to deal with lightly armored or maille wearing targets. This is not to mention the much larger draw weights of crossbows in comparison to bows either. Quilted cloths, gambesons and the higher end linothorax style armors will, no doubt, provide a measure of protection, but I don't think it's enough to protect the wearer from the higher end projectiles like slings, war bows, and military crossbows.