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Marsunpaistii

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Have every dwarf wearing iron pants?
« on: April 02, 2011, 04:09:46 am »

Does anyone have a way to make all my dwarves wear iron pants so those bloody ambushers wouldnt be able to catch them by shooting their legs? I would like a way that is not assigning every dwarf in a squad and set the squad to have iron pants. Also does chain armor block bolts at all? My military had steel chain leggings and the goblins copper bolts just went right through
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Re: Have every dwarf wearing iron pants?
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2011, 04:10:12 am »

They're called "greaves"

Use them.
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Re: Have every dwarf wearing iron pants?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2011, 04:24:26 am »

I would like a way that is not assigning every dwarf in a squad and set the squad to have iron pants.

Bad news on two counts:
1. There is no other way to equip your dwarves with a specific kind of clothing, or even any clothing once their original set has rotted off.
2. Armor isn't that great at blocking arrows and bolts; chain armor less so. Greaves will help some, but the only reliable way to protect your dwarves from flying ammunition that I've seen is a shield, and decent skill in using it.
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Re: Have every dwarf wearing iron pants?
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2011, 05:56:56 am »

I would like a way that is not assigning every dwarf in a squad and set the squad to have iron pants.


1. There is no other way to equip your dwarves with a specific kind of clothing, or even any clothing once their original set has rotted off.
I stumbled across a way around this. Make a squad that has no gear on their uniform at all, then change it to "replace clothing." They'll take everything off that they have on. Now make a uniform with the clothing and gear you want. They will wear the highest quality clothing they can find, then put on their usual armor.
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Re: Have every dwarf wearing iron pants?
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2011, 06:01:10 am »

Also does chain armor block bolts at all? My military had steel chain leggings and the goblins copper bolts just went right through
Would you guess? Chainmail doesn't block bolts even in real life. Duh.

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Re: Have every dwarf wearing iron pants?
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2011, 06:07:02 am »

Also does chain armor block bolts at all? My military had steel chain leggings and the goblins copper bolts just went right through
Would you guess? Chainmail doesn't block bolts even in real life. Duh.
His point was that currently bolts and arrows act like armor piercing LASERS or something. They are barely slowed down even by heavy steel plate.
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Re: Have every dwarf wearing iron pants?
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2011, 07:56:52 am »

That may be so, but wearing chainmail and expecting it to protect against a projectile of ANY sort is just silly.

Look through the raws.  Any armor found that has any tags relating to "elasticity" will not protect well at all against piercing weapons.  This includes spears, bolts, bullets, and other pointy objects
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Re: Have every dwarf wearing iron pants?
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2011, 08:07:54 am »

The reason crossbow became so poular in the real world was beacuse they allowed a peasant to take down knights in full plate without them needing much training (unlike long bow that needed alot of skill and strength).
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2011, 08:21:52 am »

I recall seeing plate armor built specifically against crossbows in a museum/armor, it was sloped at the front so that the bolts wouldn't have a spot where they'd make a 90 degree angle with the armor.
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Re: Have every dwarf wearing iron pants?
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2011, 08:22:15 am »

Yep.  Technically speaking, crossbows do a better job of penetrating plate armor than bullets (more mass in the projectile)

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Yes you can slope the armor, but eventually the armor gets so angular and clunky it's nearly impossible to move around.  This is why plate armor fell off the battlefield and guns rose to prominence in the real world.  There is only so much one can do to make plate steel deflect projectiles.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2011, 08:23:48 am by Jeoshua »
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2011, 09:02:47 am »

I read somewhere that Mongolian warriors were "invincible" because they wore silk shirts underneath their armor. Apparently, this was all that was needed to stop arrows and bolts from penetrating too far in their skin. The way they explained it, the silk spun with the spinning bolts/arrows, wrapping them up quickly enough to lessen their momentum.
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2011, 09:05:11 am »

Yeah, other civilizations used treated cotton. You COULD try that, but I doubt Toady's programmed it in.
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Re: Have every dwarf wearing iron pants?
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2011, 09:17:14 am »

That may actually be in, at least partially: Silk has the highest shear strength of all materials except adamantine.
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2011, 09:22:01 am »

Asking if a crossbow could shoot through armor is like asking if a gun can shoot through a bullet-resistant vest. There were lots of different crossbows and lots of different armor so it is impossible to answer such a broad question. And the silk shirts stuff is a myth. No thin textile will stop an arrow. The supposed idea was that it would make a barbed arrow easier to remove when it got carried into the wound.
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Re: Have every dwarf wearing iron pants?
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2011, 09:23:45 am »

Real-life silk, depending on what you get it from(spiders, probably, not silkworms), is actually stronger than steel, strand for strand.
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