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[Gorjo MacGrymm]

Im so glad Phmcw is here to show who the REAL bad people are for us to hate.

[Virex]

I'd like to remind people that my OP was asking for footage of the trial. Supposedly it was streamed live. Anyone found some yet?

The book was found guilty, but I want to see how it happened. Clearly it was prejudiced, or the defense attorney was incompetent, since a book doesn't have the materials to rape people, but I want to see them making the case for it doing so.

Also something to note, Muslims see the Koran as sacred in a way Christians don't view the bible. Burning a church would probably be closer to the same level of sacrilege. No matter what though, Human life is sacred. It says so in both the Bible and Koran in several ways.

One glaring problem is the self-selecting nature of the "jury". To paraphrase Pastor Jones, "We didn't pick the jury members, we just got the wrod out there of what we were going to do, and allowed people who were interested to come to us. We were disappointed we didn't get any Muslim volunteers."

Can't imagine why. And yeah, I can't imagine that the sort of people in Crackerloosahoma, Florida who would jump at the chance to take part in this would be at all biased.   

I would think trying to convict a non-person would be a larger legal barrier, unless a book is considered a legal personality under US law?

[Urist is dead tome]

Well, what are you waiting form the Afghans? Why the hell did you deploy troops on the ground, that whole region is ideologically booby trapped, designed to be a resistance field against USSR.
On the other hand  didn't expect anything else than koran burning from Americans fundamentalists, so I guess his whole deal is just  business as usual. Stupid people doing stupid things.

The fundamentalis, while idiots, were in their right, though, unlike the killers.

This is a not good statement.

[RedKing]

I'd like to remind people that my OP was asking for footage of the trial. Supposedly it was streamed live. Anyone found some yet?

The book was found guilty, but I want to see how it happened. Clearly it was prejudiced, or the defense attorney was incompetent, since a book doesn't have the materials to rape people, but I want to see them making the case for it doing so.

Also something to note, Muslims see the Koran as sacred in a way Christians don't view the bible. Burning a church would probably be closer to the same level of sacrilege. No matter what though, Human life is sacred. It says so in both the Bible and Koran in several ways.

One glaring problem is the self-selecting nature of the "jury". To paraphrase Pastor Jones, "We didn't pick the jury members, we just got the wrod out there of what we were going to do, and allowed people who were interested to come to us. We were disappointed we didn't get any Muslim volunteers."

Can't imagine why. And yeah, I can't imagine that the sort of people in Crackerloosahoma, Florida who would jump at the chance to take part in this would be at all biased.   

I would think trying to convict a non-person would be a larger legal barrier, unless a book is considered a legal personality under US law?

Well since this was a show trial, not a legal trial, that didn't really matter. If anything, it bears more resemblance to the medieval trials of animals and corpses.

[Phmcw]

Im so glad Phmcw is here to show who the REAL bad people are for us to hate.

Easy, that : don't hate. I never said to hate anyone. Actually I'd say : hate no one.

Well, what are you waiting form the Afghans? Why the hell did you deploy troops on the ground, that whole region is ideologically booby trapped, designed to be a resistance field against USSR.
On the other hand  didn't expect anything else than koran burning from Americans fundamentalists, so I guess his whole deal is just  business as usual. Stupid people doing stupid things.

The fundamentalis, while idiots, were in their right, though, unlike the killers.

This is a not good statement.

Then correct me, you know that I'm not a native speaker.

[dragonshardz]

Human life is sacred.

Problem:  Define human.

The definition is neither static nor binary.  Outsiders are always less human than members of the tribe (i.e. whatever group(s) matters in a given context), even if they're recognized as human on some level.

Human: Belonging to the species Homo Sapiens. Do we need any other definition?

[Earthquake Damage]

Human: Belonging to the species Homo Sapiens. Do we need any other definition?

[Leafsnail]

The UN extends human rights to "members of the human family", which I think is kindof cute.  Hey, maybe one day it'll be possible to synthesize Homo Neanderthalis...

[Urist is dead tome]

Im so glad Phmcw is here to show who the REAL bad people are for us to hate.

Easy, that : don't hate. I never said to hate anyone. Actually I'd say : hate no one.

Well, what are you waiting form the Afghans? Why the hell did you deploy troops on the ground, that whole region is ideologically booby trapped, designed to be a resistance field against USSR.
On the other hand  didn't expect anything else than koran burning from Americans fundamentalists, so I guess his whole deal is just  business as usual. Stupid people doing stupid things.

The fundamentalis, while idiots, were in their right, though, unlike the killers.

This is a not good statement.

Then correct me, you know that I'm not a native speaker.

No, your English is surprisingly good, I was lodging complaint with the way you said Islam was a religion designed as a booby trap against the Soviets.

[Willfor]

No, your English is surprisingly good, I was lodging complaint with the way you said Islam was a religion designed as a booby trap against the Soviets.

Except ... I don't see where he said that. At all.

[Phmcw]

You always manage to misunderstand me.
Afganistan has been a battleground for years, and the USSR suffered hugely of the effect of this war.
The detail are a bit shady, like those of everything that happened during the cold war, but the US spent about 3,3 billion dollar to arm the Taliban against the Communist regime, and Ben Laden was charged of the recruitment of foreign fighter, mostly Saudi.
He formed a fraternity, a strong community of Moudjahiddin dedicated to radical Islam and trained to guerrilla technique.
Sending ground troops in there is going in a trap that you set yourself. I really don't understand why they did it.

[Urist is dead tome]

You always manage to misunderstand me.
Afganistan has been a battleground for years, and the USSR suffered hugely of the effect of this war.
The detail are a bit shady, like those of everything that happened during the cold war, but the US spent about 3,3 billion dollar to arm the Taliban against the Communist regime, and Ben Laden was charged of the recruitment of foreign fighter, mostly Saudi.
He formed a fraternity, a strong community of Moudjahiddin dedicated to radical Islam and trained to guerrilla technique.
Sending ground troops in there is going in a trap that you set yourself. I really don't understand why they did it.

It seems I do keep doing that. I am pretty good at it. Carry on, Gentlemen!

[Criptfeind]

Human: Belonging to the species Homo Sapiens. Do we need any other definition?

Spoiler: Disaproval (click to show/hide)

Ummm.... Why not? Is there some specific subset of humanity that you feel is less deserving of rights such as that?

[Urist is dead tome]

Human: Belonging to the species Homo Sapiens. Do we need any other definition?

Spoiler: Disaproval (click to show/hide)

Ummm.... Why not? Is there some specific subset of humanity that you feel is less deserving of rights such as that?

Women...

[Earthquake Damage]

Ummm.... Why not? Is there some specific subset of humanity that you feel is less deserving of rights such as that?

I'm talking about actual human behavior and he comes along with "well, I think we should go with this definition", completely missing the point.