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[kerlc]

What, no chain axes?

I am so disapoint guys.

we're talking humans here, not space dwarwes.

sword is an elegant weapon, but it ain't effective.

axes are for orcs and dwarves.

[NightS]

Yea... We need chainfists... Yea... And a rifle with a chainsaw bayonet... *insert maniatical laughter here... Laughter or slaughter?  )

[Replica]

What, no chain axes?

I am so disapoint guys.

we're talking humans here, not space dwarwes.

sword is an elegant weapon, but it ain't effective.

axes are for orcs and dwarves.

Aw you are not a real wh40k fan </3

[Necro910]

We need chainfists...

FAAALLLLCCCOOOONNNN.....

[Ahra]

We need chainfists...

FAAALLLLCCCOOOONNNN.....

nonono for FAAALLLLCCCOOOONNNN..... you need an power fist.

[Necro910]

We need chainfists...

FAAALLLLCCCOOOONNNN.....

nonono for FAAALLLLCCCOOOONNNN..... you need an power fist.

FFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAALLLLLLCCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN...

[kerlc]

Aw you are not a real wh40k fan </3

why? i like imperial guards, space wolves (SPACE WOLVES!), eldar and tau.

sooo......why exactly?

also: CHAINFISTS!

[Dohon]

While the Warhammer fan in me is smiling broadly at all the references, I'm sure that IT doesn't want his mod to be called "Warhammer with zombies".

Spoiler: Warhammer Weapon Rant (click to show/hide)

Besides, our current technology isn't capable of producing any of those futuristic weapons at all. Okay, the bolter, that might be possible. I believe the Russians made one similar gun, decades back. But the bullet needed time to get up to speed, so it was useless in point-blank-range. I don't know if powder has improved significantly, but there haven't been anymore tests with RPB's (rocket propelled bullets). We don't actually have a portable .75 caliber gun. You could use the .50 calibre, but that isn't possible to use on the move. Not without power armour, something that we are working on, but is far from ready. So, no Space Marines either.

A chainsword isn't possible without making it very heavy. Battery technology hasn't evolved a lot and while there are some solutions in the making (nanocarbontubes, I believe), it is still at least a decade away before it can be mass-produced and mass-used. In the meantime, you would need to have a regular chainsaw engine installed. Try wielding a chainsaw like a sword. You'll be exhausted after 10 minutes. A chainsword also has adamantine tippings, something which would mean in our world to be "diamond" tippings on the saw-blades. Powerful stuff, but nowhere near the adamantine kind. The moment a chainsword-equivalent is developped though, I'll get one.

A chainfist is nothing but a massive-powered chainsword in a massive gauntlet. There is NOTHING on this planet that has the same raw-power output in such a small and wieldly space (except for a few kilo's of weaponized uranium). Even in the Warhammer universe, a chainfist is mounted on Terminator (or Tactical Dreadnought Armour) armour, armour that is driven by nuclear fusion (something we still haven't mastered, let alone to be used as a backpack!). So, no chainfist. Unless you mean a glove with some chains wrapped around it, but that's just a silly weapon. 

So, while Warhammer is cool, it isn't for our current tech level yet and it certainly isn't available to survivors of a massive zombie-infestation. I would prefer it if we didn't "tech-up" the mod too much and if we do have artifacts, that those are limited to what our current society would be able to make. But that's up for IT to decide.

[Abregado]

@IT000

Downloaded and played your mod. Its really quite enjoyable! Lost my first 3 forts, which in vanilla hasent happened for AAAAAGES. Probbaly to do with most of my humans having Depression above 80!

Suggestions:

• Any chance you can list in the readme WHICH LABOURS the new jobs use? I cant seem to get one survivor to Build Ammo, and another to build weapons.
• Use more of the abnormal labours. Who cares what its called, just being able to tick the box that says "Burn Vermin" OFF would be nice. Maybe Alchemy for Gunpart MFG, ect.
• Infected climbing (limited flying)
• A way to keep your miners from dying, but not indefinitely. Respirator, Bed Rest to remove the immediate effect, but long term effects still will kill them(maybe Medicine that can only be traded from Enlightened
• List which stockpiles the new items use and exactly what skills the new weapons use
• Put the name of the Caste in the description, or make some other way to tell!

Keep it up!! To anyone who is looking to try this mod out DO IT (but install the zombie pus removal thing, as currently they SERIOUSLY GIMP your fps)!!

[NightS]

Hey, i was just joking, but dont tell me it wouldnt be awesome

[kerlc]

@IT000
Suggestions:

• Any chance you can list in the readme WHICH LABOURS the new jobs use? I cant seem to get one survivor to Build Ammo, and another to build weapons.

YES, IT000, DO THAT!

• Use more of the abnormal labours. Who cares what its called, just being able to tick the box that says "Burn Vermin" OFF would be nice. Maybe Alchemy for Gunpart MFG, ect.

dunno bout that, but o believe that metalcrafter should be sufficient

• Infected climbing (limited flying)

no. zombies (infected) can't climb. maybe IT000 should add some new castes or something

• A way to keep your miners from dying, but not indefinitely. Respirator, Bed Rest to remove the immediate effect, but long term effects still will kill them(maybe Medicine that can only be traded from Enlightened

medicine will be added in the next version of DF, respirators are not possible in DF

• List which stockpiles the new items use and exactly what skills the new weapons use

it's in the readme. it says IT IS A SWORD. so it's logical it uses the hammer skill.

• Put the name of the Caste in the description, or make some other way to tell!

i believe that is already at the end of description: a humanoid who is slow minded, but eager to help, etc.
[/list]

all my answers are in.

While the Warhammer fan in me is smiling broadly at all the references, I'm sure that IT doesn't want his mod to be called "Warhammer with zombies".

Spoiler: Warhammer Weapon Rant (click to show/hide)

Besides, our current technology isn't capable of producing any of those futuristic weapons at all. Okay, the bolter, that might be possible. I believe the Russians made one similar gun, decades back. But the bullet needed time to get up to speed, so it was useless in point-blank-range. I don't know if powder has improved significantly, but there haven't been anymore tests with RPB's (rocket propelled bullets). We don't actually have a portable .75 caliber gun. You could use the .50 calibre, but that isn't possible to use on the move. Not without power armour, something that we are working on, but is far from ready. So, no Space Marines either.

A chainsword isn't possible without making it very heavy. Battery technology hasn't evolved a lot and while there are some solutions in the making (nanocarbontubes, I believe), it is still at least a decade away before it can be mass-produced and mass-used. In the meantime, you would need to have a regular chainsaw engine installed. Try wielding a chainsaw like a sword. You'll be exhausted after 10 minutes. A chainsword also has adamantine tippings, something which would mean in our world to be "diamond" tippings on the saw-blades. Powerful stuff, but nowhere near the adamantine kind. The moment a chainsword-equivalent is developped though, I'll get one.

A chainfist is nothing but a massive-powered chainsword in a massive gauntlet. There is NOTHING on this planet that has the same raw-power output in such a small and wieldly space (except for a few kilo's of weaponized uranium). Even in the Warhammer universe, a chainfist is mounted on Terminator (or Tactical Dreadnought Armour) armour, armour that is driven by nuclear fusion (something we still haven't mastered, let alone to be used as a backpack!). So, no chainfist. Unless you mean a glove with some chains wrapped around it, but that's just a silly weapon. 

So, while Warhammer is cool, it isn't for our current tech level yet and it certainly isn't available to survivors of a massive zombie-infestation. I would prefer it if we didn't "tech-up" the mod too much and if we do have artifacts, that those are limited to what our current society would be able to make. But that's up for IT to decide.

yes, we are well aware. STOP RUINING MY DREAMS, YOU MONSTER! :cries:
and IT said that he does not want to make a hi-tech mod.

chainsaws on teh other hand..... nah, too fuel expensive.

[IT 000]

Any chance you can list in the readme WHICH LABOURS the new jobs use? I cant seem to get one survivor to Build Ammo, and another to build weapons.

Understandable, I'll stick something together.

Use more of the abnormal labours. Who cares what its called, just being able to tick the box that says "Burn Vermin" OFF would be nice. Maybe Alchemy for Gunpart MFG, ect.

I agree with you, abnormal/seldom used jobs need to have more jobs. Especially Strand Extractor, he's unemployed now that Adamantine doesn't exist. For the automatic 'burn vermin' order go to 'o' 'w' 'auto other' something like that. As for the increased difficulty to make the Gunpart, the gunparts are just the things like triggers and mechanical parts etc. However if I cannot find a way around my current problem with increased steps for bullets I will likely add this.

Infected climbing (limited flying)

Not possible, Toady has mentioned climbing in the future (And overall more difficult sieges), but for now we'll have to wait.

A way to keep your miners from dying, but not indefinitely. Respirator, Bed Rest to remove the immediate effect, but long term effects still will kill them(maybe Medicine that can only be traded from Enlightened

I have played around with this idea. Currently it's not moddable as you described, but DF .26 looks promising. I don't want to make any promises until I know it's possible.

    List which stockpiles the new items use and exactly what skills the new weapons use

I could stick this into the readme, I don't see why not.

Put the name of the Caste in the description, or make some other way to tell!

I could include an optional file that makes the descs more blunt for new players, but once you play eight or nine forts you begin to memorize it 

[Abregado]

thanks for the fast reply!

The stockpile issue was mostly about Planks. Lord knows how i get them to be stored!

Another suggestion would be to make "trash" plants. So you send your guy out with plant gathering and he collects all the Plastic Bottles (barrels), Old auto parts (melt into iron/steel), Tinned Food (non-edible but cookable food). These plants could just not regrow, or maybe only regrow in the Landfill biome I would think this will increase my feeling that I am scavenging for items at the start rather than just digging everywhere in the clay until i hit some metals.

Oh and for something ridiculous put in a way to get -*Depleted Uranium Bullets*- :D

My current survivor camp has a swarm of infected sitting outside under my draw bridge with no way in. Good training for my Riflemen!

[kerlc]

planks are blocks

that is in the decomposed trash layer. there is no plastic, but IT wil (probably) add it in the next version.

here's the list:
Old auto parts (melt into iron/steel) - rusty copper/iron tool
tinned food - rotten meat
and also:
tattered leather/clothing
use the cleaning shop to get the things that are described in the readme.

and depleted uranium bullets? SYNDROME TIME!!!!!!!!

[Necro910]

and depleted uranium bullets? SYNDROME TIME!!!!!!!!

Live uranium is more likely.