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[ThirdSpartacus]

So I had a dwarf caravan come in my first season. My military dwarves needed training, so why not train on the guards and their merchants?

After complete and total slaughter censored for your viewing, here are the end results! :]





Some interesting things I noticed after the attack was that, after dispatching the last defenseless merchant, my dwarves quickly turned around and started treating each other as enemies, attacking each other blindly and quickly sending the inhabitant population down to two dwarves, some animals, and a duck.





I found this interesting and that after the murder of the merchant caravan, the dwarves are now guilt-ridden and, burdened by their consciousnesses, are no longer able to distinguish between friend and foe.





I thought I might use this story to teach them kiddies a lesson: Murder will disintegrate your dwarf-anity. Like, in seconds. Yeah.

On another note, this might be a bug? 

[Hyndis]

Its a bug. Its called a loyalty cascade.

Just don't order your soldiers to kill friendly targets, even though it is possible to do so. If you really want to kill a caravan just enclose the trade depot in a room, lock the door, and wait until everyone is dead before opening the door.

[SirAaronIII]

No, it's a loyalty cascade. A well-performed one, might I add.
Basically, since your soldiers killed some of your own civilization, they were viewed as enemies by your other people, who attacked the soldiers. When someone attacked a soldier, other people thought he was an enemy too, and decided to attack him. Then those guys were viewed as enemies by some OTHER guys, who attacked them...

[ThirdSpartacus]

But what about the hostile duck? 

 

[psychologicalshock]

 I am assuming this isn't an issue if you attack humans or elfs?

[Sarda]

Only dwarfs from your civilization.

[Hyndis]

You can resolve it by locking everyone doing the interrupting into their rooms.

Keep the doors locked for about a year.

Then unlock the doors. The crisis will be over.

[ThirdSpartacus]

Heehee, so my expedition leader eventually struck down the Fish Dissector and I have no more interrupt messages, even from the duck! So... now I have 1 dwarf and 6 tame animals, including the duck of course, and no migrants came this season. Will we, err... he, survive? Yayyy!

[Quietust]

All of your dwarves start out as members of the Nation and members of the State. The dwarven caravan merchants and guards are members of the Nation (but members of a different State, not important here).

When your soldier attacks the caravan, he becomes an enemy of the Nation (for attacking another member of the Nation) but not an enemy of the State. Existing members of your fortress will now treat this soldier as hostile and will either attack or run away (usually the latter with peasants, unless they get cornered). If one of your other citizens attacks this soldier, said citizen will become an enemy of the State (for attacking another member of the State) but not an enemy of the Nation. From here forward, it goes back and forth, resulting in 2 hostile factions (enemies of the Nation and enemies of the State) and a third neutral faction. The only way to end this civil war is to kill all of the hostiles without exposing the neutrals to them - all future migrants will be neutral.

[Lortath]

My military dwarves needed training, so why not train on the guards and their merchants?

I love that.

[MythagoWoods]

So I had a dwarf caravan come in my first season. My military dwarves needed training, so why not train on the guards and their merchants?

Simple.  You didn't wait for the hippies.  That's where you went wrong.  You rose arms against your Dwarven brethren.  You should never strike out against your own... unless they happen to be a noble.

[Jake]

No, it's a loyalty cascade. A well-performed one, might I add.
Basically, since your soldiers killed some of your own civilization, they were viewed as enemies by your other people, who attacked the soldiers. When someone attacked a soldier, other people thought he was an enemy too, and decided to attack him. Then those guys were viewed as enemies by some OTHER guys, who attacked them...

I'm not sure that's a bug, actually, but an intended behaviour that's not yet fully implemented. What would you do in their place, witnessing the fortress militia committing armed robbery and murder?

[SirAaronIII]

Well, I would scream and run away because they're heavily armed and armored.

[Namfuak]

No, it's a loyalty cascade. A well-performed one, might I add.
Basically, since your soldiers killed some of your own civilization, they were viewed as enemies by your other people, who attacked the soldiers. When someone attacked a soldier, other people thought he was an enemy too, and decided to attack him. Then those guys were viewed as enemies by some OTHER guys, who attacked them...

I'm not sure that's a bug, actually, but an intended behaviour that's not yet fully implemented. What would you do in their place, witnessing the fortress militia committing armed robbery and murder?

Join in the glorious slaughter.  Maybe that will teach the merchants to bring some steel components and bars as their main export, and not more cheese.

[kardwill]

So I had a dwarf caravan come in my first season. My military dwarves needed training, so why not train on the guards and their merchants?

Simple.  You didn't wait for the hippies.  That's where you went wrong.  You rose arms against your Dwarven brethren.  You should never strike out against your own... unless they happen to be a noble.

But... Where's the challenge in that? Killing elves is a fun hobby, but it hardly qualifies as combat training.
With dwarves, well... Your whole population recieves extensive combat traning, including peasants, children...

(is it wrong that for me, the shining point of this report was the "interrupted by duckling" message?)