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[Draignean]

It sounds like an interesting game. I've only got one thing running right now, and it's still in the kicking off phase, so I might be able to help.

[FallacyofUrist]

Unfortunately I'm going to be temporarily gone from the forums soon, but I'll PM you once my internet is available for a definite timespan. I think this might actually work...

[AoshimaMichio]

I'm a bit sad this feature didn't see much of use in Apocalypse How, so I'll throw this bone here. Granted I didn't even mention it before very close to the end so it is my fault really.

Game mechanism: Roll to spend money.
Player starts with pool of cash. Every roll costs money, exact amount left to GM's discretion. If player decides to invest more money than necessary on the task, he will get bonus on rolls depending of how much extra he threw in. Like this:

+1 up to 2 (meaning if you roll 1 you get the bonus saving you from certain doom, but if you roll 2 you don't get the bonus)
+1 up to 3
+1 up to 4
+1 regardless of roll.
+1 up to 5
+1/0/-1 towards 5. The so called "dynamic bonus".
+2 up to 3
... and so on.

How much money is required for different levels of bonuses varies depending on what player is trying to do. Spend $1000 to buy a car and you just might get a roll in first place. Spend billion dollars and you are guaranteed to get number of sexy red luxury cars.

[H4zardZ1]

I'm planning for two RTDs, the one is named Great Worlds and the another is the revival of(long dead)Wacky Death Race. As for now, I'm only talking about Great Worlds.

Spoiler: Great Worlds (click to show/hide)

This RTD is based of Aetherworld Prison.
Rolls are normal 1~6 (1d6) rolls.
Worlds:
There are 3 planets to choose, each having it's own places to start.
Initalis:Skylandia,North Mountainious Mass, Blast Badlands and Dark Stratovolcanoes.
Sand Era:New&Old Neva, Fell City, Crash Mountains, Storm Swamps, Ocean Line And South Sand Prison.
Nu's World:Can only start at Tall Tower(At Cloud Castle). Other places are: The Grid, Sand Friers, Sheer Caves, Color Mountains(Black, Grey, Red, Yellow, Green, Blue, White.), Purple Lands and Icy Zen(Southern Pole)
Or come with your own planet.
Sheet:

Name:
Age:
Race:
Gender:
Appearance:
Backstory:
Stats:
You can assign 9 Stat points. Stats will act as (hidden)roll multiplier, adding .2 multiplier for rolls for each stat. 0 stat is 0.8.
Stats Available:
STR(Lifting, damage power and reduces damage taken)
SPD(Initiative, hit and running)
DEX(Dodge, aim, counteraim and acrobatics)
END(Enduring pain and reduces damage taken)
WIL(Mindlocking, doing things in bad conditions and focus)
INT(Basically Intuition. Perception and Counter-Stealth)
IQ(Can't think about this stat much)

There is XP in each stat, getting higher each time you use(roll) that stat. Stat XP goes higher when you use it while fighting. When it reaches a certain threshold, that stat is increased.
A stat will increase the XP get by 0.1 to another stat, like this:
STR->END->DEX->SPD->STR(and back). Doesn't apply to WIL, INT and IQ.
Specialty(s)
Specialty is a minor stat which increases rolls based on it's level(Example:Dodge level 1 adds 1 to dodging rolls). Like the base stat, it is increased by XP. A increase in either 1 or 6 will decrease the severity of the bad effect based on the specialty level([1]+1<[2]). A increase from a 5 to 6(or above) doesn't mean it's an overshot([5]+1>[6]). A increase from a 6 to 7(or above) won't remove the overshot effect.

I think that's i can explain about this right now.

[origamiscienceguy]

I have a concept for a strategy RTD game between 2 players. The premise is a medieval siege with one person being in charge of the Attackers, and one being the defenders. Each player will have to manage building material-to build siege engines and repair walls etc. food (the attacker will have alot more than the defender) And troops. (The attacker will have to deal with deserters if morale gets low while the defender not as much.

I don't know exactly how to make it work, but I think it is a cool concept. If anybody wants to use it, go ahead.

[Slayer1557]

So, my previous ideas still stand, I've been just mulling things over on how I would execute them.  (The Final Boss RTD, and the Law of Ueki RTD, plus another I didn't mention)

But I've also been thinking about interesting game systems.  Like for example Perplexicon.  A very interesting magic system that inspires creativity and lulz.

So I have an idea in my head for my own magic system.  I can't explain how it works because that would ruin the fun!  Much of the RTD would be the players trying to figure out how the system works, as they work together or against each other towards whatever goal I feel like setting up for them.  They would get no information of the magic system to start, other than their characters know about their newfound power, and want to experiment to get the best results.  I'm not sure if I should give players direct feedback for the spells "You shoot a devastating fireball (Power=9)/You shoot a burst of flame that evaporates in a puff of smoke (Power=0)" or if I should just leave off the numerical result and just give the descriptions.  It would certainly make it harder to figure out if you didn't have the numbers.  Or in the other direction, I could give MORE detail. "You shoot a fireball (Power=3+1+2-1)"  So they can guess at the modifiers.

What are anyone's thoughts on such a game?  Would it be too boring?  Too frustrating?  How would it be if the players manage to solve the system, at least for the most part?  Would that ruin the game?  There would still be the main goal to work towards, plot, etc.

[Parsely]

I have a concept for a strategy RTD game between 2 players. The premise is a medieval siege with one person being in charge of the Attackers, and one being the defenders. Each player will have to manage building material-to build siege engines and repair walls etc. food (the attacker will have alot more than the defender) And troops. (The attacker will have to deal with deserters if morale gets low while the defender not as much.

I don't know exactly how to make it work, but I think it is a cool concept. If anybody wants to use it, go ahead.

I'd play it if someone else ran it.

[Slayer1557]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So, my previous ideas still stand, I've been just mulling things over on how I would execute them.  (The Final Boss RTD, and the Law of Ueki RTD, plus another I didn't mention)

But I've also been thinking about interesting game systems.  Like for example Perplexicon.  A very interesting magic system that inspires creativity and lulz.

So I have an idea in my head for my own magic system.  I can't explain how it works because that would ruin the fun!  Much of the RTD would be the players trying to figure out how the system works, as they work together or against each other towards whatever goal I feel like setting up for them.  They would get no information of the magic system to start, other than their characters know about their newfound power, and want to experiment to get the best results.  I'm not sure if I should give players direct feedback for the spells "You shoot a devastating fireball (Power=9)/You shoot a burst of flame that evaporates in a puff of smoke (Power=0)" or if I should just leave off the numerical result and just give the descriptions.  It would certainly make it harder to figure out if you didn't have the numbers.  Or in the other direction, I could give MORE detail. "You shoot a fireball (Power=3+1+2-1)"  So they can guess at the modifiers.

What are anyone's thoughts on such a game?  Would it be too boring?  Too frustrating?  How would it be if the players manage to solve the system, at least for the most part?  Would that ruin the game?  There would still be the main goal to work towards, plot, etc.

Still hoping for some opinions on my previous post.

Also, I came up with a stat system.

Primary Stats
STR-Physical Strength
DEX-Physical Dexterity
INT-Book Smarts
WIL-Mental Fortitude/Anti Mindfuckery/Dealing with stress
SAV-Savvy/Intuition/Figuring things out
MAG-Aptitude in magic.  (Optional, but in the game I was thinking of it would be needed.  The exact effects are up for discussion, but generally it would mean more/stronger spells, but not so much that it is a required max stat)

Hybrid Stats(Derived from primary stats)
END(Endurance)-STR+WIL-Ability to push on through physical pain or injury.
ANT(Anticipation)-DEX+INT-Accuracy and other predicting the enemy.
FLX(Flexibility)-DEX+WIL-Dodging and other mental/physical shenanagins.
FCE(Force)-STR+INT-Affects charisma, better application of strength(Physical or otherwise), and damage dealt.

This is designed so someone minmaxing for any two stats won't have any sort of crazy advantage.  And it lets characters be strong physically, mentally, or even a split, and they would still have decent abilities to fight.  A meathead (Pure STR), would hit hard(FCE) and be tough(END), but wouldn't be accurate(ANT) or dodge well(FLX).  A bookworm(Pure INT) would be accurate AND hit hard (Because he knows where to hit), but would have a hard time dodging, and would crumple like tissue paper once he does get hit.

I haven't put numerical bonuses to it, because they could be whatever you wanted to tune the system and what dice system you wanted to use.  But for a regular D6 system, I'd probably want just 1 or 2 scattered +1's and 1 or 2 -1's, at least to start.

Also, what do people think about a Savvy or Intuition stat.  Should there be one?  I mean, sometimes you might want to roll to see if someone feels that something is wrong, and it's a trap.  But other times it might just be a waste of points for the player, or the rolls could have gone under INT, for example.  I'm not sure what to do.

Anyway, all in all, I think it came out really elegant!  I like it!  Opinions plox!

[ATHATH]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So, my previous ideas still stand, I've been just mulling things over on how I would execute them.  (The Final Boss RTD, and the Law of Ueki RTD, plus another I didn't mention)

But I've also been thinking about interesting game systems.  Like for example Perplexicon.  A very interesting magic system that inspires creativity and lulz.

So I have an idea in my head for my own magic system.  I can't explain how it works because that would ruin the fun!  Much of the RTD would be the players trying to figure out how the system works, as they work together or against each other towards whatever goal I feel like setting up for them.  They would get no information of the magic system to start, other than their characters know about their newfound power, and want to experiment to get the best results.  I'm not sure if I should give players direct feedback for the spells "You shoot a devastating fireball (Power=9)/You shoot a burst of flame that evaporates in a puff of smoke (Power=0)" or if I should just leave off the numerical result and just give the descriptions.  It would certainly make it harder to figure out if you didn't have the numbers.  Or in the other direction, I could give MORE detail. "You shoot a fireball (Power=3+1+2-1)"  So they can guess at the modifiers.

What are anyone's thoughts on such a game?  Would it be too boring?  Too frustrating?  How would it be if the players manage to solve the system, at least for the most part?  Would that ruin the game?  There would still be the main goal to work towards, plot, etc.

Still hoping for some opinions on my previous post.

Also, I came up with a stat system.

Primary Stats
STR-Physical Strength
DEX-Physical Dexterity
INT-Book Smarts
WIL-Mental Fortitude/Anti Mindfuckery/Dealing with stress
SAV-Savvy/Intuition/Figuring things out
MAG-Aptitude in magic.  (Optional, but in the game I was thinking of it would be needed.  The exact effects are up for discussion, but generally it would mean more/stronger spells, but not so much that it is a required max stat)

Hybrid Stats(Derived from primary stats)
END(Endurance)-STR+WIL-Ability to push on through physical pain or injury.
ANT(Anticipation)-DEX+INT-Accuracy and other predicting the enemy.
FLX(Flexibility)-DEX+WIL-Dodging and other mental/physical shenanagins.
FCE(Force)-STR+INT-Affects charisma, better application of strength(Physical or otherwise), and damage dealt.

This is designed so someone minmaxing for any two stats won't have any sort of crazy advantage.  And it lets characters be strong physically, mentally, or even a split, and they would still have decent abilities to fight.  A meathead (Pure STR), would hit hard(FCE) and be tough(END), but wouldn't be accurate(ANT) or dodge well(FLX).  A bookworm(Pure INT) would be accurate AND hit hard (Because he knows where to hit), but would have a hard time dodging, and would crumple like tissue paper once he does get hit.

I haven't put numerical bonuses to it, because they could be whatever you wanted to tune the system and what dice system you wanted to use.  But for a regular D6 system, I'd probably want just 1 or 2 scattered +1's and 1 or 2 -1's, at least to start.

Also, what do people think about a Savvy or Intuition stat.  Should there be one?  I mean, sometimes you might want to roll to see if someone feels that something is wrong, and it's a trap.  But other times it might just be a waste of points for the player, or the rolls could have gone under INT, for example.  I'm not sure what to do.

Anyway, all in all, I think it came out really elegant!  I like it!  Opinions plox!

I recommend removing SAV. It isn't factored into the secondary stats and is replicated by the players themselves.

[H4zardZ1]

Spoiler: clutter (click to show/hide)

So, my previous ideas still stand, I've been just mulling things over on how I would execute them.  (The Final Boss RTD, and the Law of Ueki RTD, plus another I didn't mention)

But I've also been thinking about interesting game systems.  Like for example Perplexicon.  A very interesting magic system that inspires creativity and lulz.

So I have an idea in my head for my own magic system.  I can't explain how it works because that would ruin the fun!  Much of the RTD would be the players trying to figure out how the system works, as they work together or against each other towards whatever goal I feel like setting up for them.  They would get no information of the magic system to start, other than their characters know about their newfound power, and want to experiment to get the best results.  I'm not sure if I should give players direct feedback for the spells "You shoot a devastating fireball (Power=9)/You shoot a burst of flame that evaporates in a puff of smoke (Power=0)" or if I should just leave off the numerical result and just give the descriptions.  It would certainly make it harder to figure out if you didn't have the numbers.  Or in the other direction, I could give MORE detail. "You shoot a fireball (Power=3+1+2-1)"  So they can guess at the modifiers.

What are anyone's thoughts on such a game?  Would it be too boring?  Too frustrating?  How would it be if the players manage to solve the system, at least for the most part?  Would that ruin the game?  There would still be the main goal to work towards, plot, etc.

Still hoping for some opinions on my previous post.

Also, I came up with a stat system.

Primary Stats
STR-Physical Strength
DEX-Physical Dexterity
INT-Book Smarts
WIL-Mental Fortitude/Anti Mindfuckery/Dealing with stress
SAV-Savvy/Intuition/Figuring things out
MAG-Aptitude in magic.  (Optional, but in the game I was thinking of it would be needed.  The exact effects are up for discussion, but generally it would mean more/stronger spells, but not so much that it is a required max stat)

Hybrid Stats(Derived from primary stats)
END(Endurance)-STR+WIL-Ability to push on through physical pain or injury.
ANT(Anticipation)-DEX+INT-Accuracy and other predicting the enemy.
FLX(Flexibility)-DEX+WIL-Dodging and other mental/physical shenanagins.
FCE(Force)-STR+INT-Affects charisma, better application of strength(Physical or otherwise), and damage dealt.

This is designed so someone minmaxing for any two stats won't have any sort of crazy advantage.  And it lets characters be strong physically, mentally, or even a split, and they would still have decent abilities to fight.  A meathead (Pure STR), would hit hard(FCE) and be tough(END), but wouldn't be accurate(ANT) or dodge well(FLX).  A bookworm(Pure INT) would be accurate AND hit hard (Because he knows where to hit), but would have a hard time dodging, and would crumple like tissue paper once he does get hit.

I haven't put numerical bonuses to it, because they could be whatever you wanted to tune the system and what dice system you wanted to use.  But for a regular D6 system, I'd probably want just 1 or 2 scattered +1's and 1 or 2 -1's, at least to start.

Also, what do people think about a Savvy or Intuition stat.  Should there be one?  I mean, sometimes you might want to roll to see if someone feels that something is wrong, and it's a trap.  But other times it might just be a waste of points for the player, or the rolls could have gone under INT, for example.  I'm not sure what to do.

Anyway, all in all, I think it came out really elegant!  I like it!  Opinions plox!

INTelligence increases CRITical DaMaGe, not CRITical CHAnce. (CRIT chance: ANT)
MAGic is POTential. COnTrol is required.
SAVviness is a part of INTelligence, not PeRcepTion. (However through, Perception(Intuition) is needed to anticipate Stealth, so i recommend just renaming it)

[Slayer1557]

You're probably right.  I just wanted a stat that players could opt into if they were bad at that sort of thing.  Or to notice things that there really weren't any hints for.

[AoshimaMichio]

So, my previous ideas still stand, I've been just mulling things over on how I would execute them.  (The Final Boss RTD, and the Law of Ueki RTD, plus another I didn't mention)

But I've also been thinking about interesting game systems.  Like for example Perplexicon.  A very interesting magic system that inspires creativity and lulz.

So I have an idea in my head for my own magic system.  I can't explain how it works because that would ruin the fun!  Much of the RTD would be the players trying to figure out how the system works, as they work together or against each other towards whatever goal I feel like setting up for them.  They would get no information of the magic system to start, other than their characters know about their newfound power, and want to experiment to get the best results.  I'm not sure if I should give players direct feedback for the spells "You shoot a devastating fireball (Power=9)/You shoot a burst of flame that evaporates in a puff of smoke (Power=0)" or if I should just leave off the numerical result and just give the descriptions.  It would certainly make it harder to figure out if you didn't have the numbers.  Or in the other direction, I could give MORE detail. "You shoot a fireball (Power=3+1+2-1)"  So they can guess at the modifiers.

What are anyone's thoughts on such a game?  Would it be too boring?  Too frustrating?  How would it be if the players manage to solve the system, at least for the most part?  Would that ruin the game?  There would still be the main goal to work towards, plot, etc.

Four Perplexicon games currently in progress and three people planning to run one. Piecewise's control is spreading!


Give players simply result of roll and description of what happened if anything happened at all. Those are needed for !!SCIENCE!!. Include roll details if it is relevant to magic system and players can actually influence them in a reliable and researchable way.

With current amount of details provided here it is hard to tell if it will be boring or frustrating. Frustration oftem comes from rolling 1 and 2 in many turns, also when player is not getting what he's doing wrong, in which case it might be good idea to give a hint.

And when players have figured the system out: Can that even happen? Is it simple enough for players to solve all important aspects of the system before the game goal is reached? If yes, then be prepared to extend the system or let player's run wild with their power.

Also, I came up with a stat system.

Primary Stats
STR-Physical Strength
DEX-Physical Dexterity
INT-Book Smarts
WIL-Mental Fortitude/Anti Mindfuckery/Dealing with stress
SAV-Savvy/Intuition/Figuring things out
MAG-Aptitude in magic.  (Optional, but in the game I was thinking of it would be needed.  The exact effects are up for discussion, but generally it would mean more/stronger spells, but not so much that it is a required max stat)

Hybrid Stats(Derived from primary stats)
END(Endurance)-STR+WIL-Ability to push on through physical pain or injury.
ANT(Anticipation)-DEX+INT-Accuracy and other predicting the enemy.
FLX(Flexibility)-DEX+WIL-Dodging and other mental/physical shenanagins.
FCE(Force)-STR+INT-Affects charisma, better application of strength(Physical or otherwise), and damage dealt.

This is designed so someone minmaxing for any two stats won't have any sort of crazy advantage.  And it lets characters be strong physically, mentally, or even a split, and they would still have decent abilities to fight.  A meathead (Pure STR), would hit hard(FCE) and be tough(END), but wouldn't be accurate(ANT) or dodge well(FLX).  A bookworm(Pure INT) would be accurate AND hit hard (Because he knows where to hit), but would have a hard time dodging, and would crumple like tissue paper once he does get hit.

I haven't put numerical bonuses to it, because they could be whatever you wanted to tune the system and what dice system you wanted to use.  But for a regular D6 system, I'd probably want just 1 or 2 scattered +1's and 1 or 2 -1's, at least to start.

Also, what do people think about a Savvy or Intuition stat.  Should there be one?  I mean, sometimes you might want to roll to see if someone feels that something is wrong, and it's a trap.  But other times it might just be a waste of points for the player, or the rolls could have gone under INT, for example.  I'm not sure what to do.

Anyway, all in all, I think it came out really elegant!  I like it!  Opinions plox!

ANTicipation should be DEX+SAV. Makes more sense that way. Or drop the whole stat, because Savvines kinda handles the concept alone well enough. And what ATHATH said.
FLX also feels kinda unnecessary, you could drop it and handle physical/mental defense with DEX and WIL alone. Your dexterity shouldn't have any effect on your mental strength. Likewise mental strength shouldn't affect your physical ability to dodge things.

[Slayer1557]

Actually, the spell system itself probably won't have any rolls, at least the way I have it imagined.  Like, if you wanted a fireball, it's properties and strength depend on how you created/cast the spell, but aiming it would be normal attack rolls.  Yes players can influence and research the magic system in a reliable way.  I'm just debating how to do it in a way that is complex enough, but not too much.

I know what you are saying about Anticipation and Savvy and stuff, but I don't want to make Dexterity too powerful.  I dislike systems that let Dex be both accuracy and dodge.  I set this up so that each physical and mental stat are paired up to make the derived stats, so they serve a dual purpose.  I know it's a bit weird that Flexibility affects mental stuff, but it's really not going to be used much.  It's more for Dodge, and the ability to be creative, perhaps?  Mental flexibility.  Antimindfuckery is purely Will rolls.

After this discussion, I will probably drop Savvy.  I really would like to have it, but it just seems like a bad idea.  I'll probably just roll intuition as an unmodified roll.  Sort of just a "luck" roll.

[AoshimaMichio]

Its hard to debate if you cannot tell details about the system... 

[Slayer1557]

Its hard to debate if you cannot tell details about the system... 

That's fine, that's something for me to decide.  I was just curious to hear opinions on it in general, and on the stats.  I appreciate your input.  I just need to think on it a bit and maybe I'll start up an RTD.  I can't decide which idea I want to use out of the three.