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[adwarf]

Never question Draignean on extensive equation mechanics, clearly he's a super computer disguising himself as a human being.

[origamiscienceguy]

There is a minimum of 1 to many of the stats. But now that I look at it, it does seem to nightmarish to run. It was a good idea though.

[Draignean]

Never question Draignean on extensive equation mechanics, clearly he's a super computer disguising himself as a human being.

On this subject...

I was tooling around with a simple system for weapons, and came up with this,

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Melee weapons
Primary Melee attributes: Strength, Grace, Speed
Edged weapons, blunt weapons, and polearms.

Edged weapons favor Grace and Speed: Lower damage, good crits, good accuracy
Polearms favor Grace and Strength: Good damage, lower crits, good accuracy
Blunt Weapons favor Speed and strength: Good damage, good crits, low accuracy

Ranged Weapons
Primary Ranged Attributes: Grace, Finesse, Brilliance
Bows, Rifles, Pistols,

Bows Favors Grace and Finesse: Lower damage, good accuracy, good crits
Rifles favor Grace and Brilliance: good damage, good accuracy, lower crits
Pistols favor Brilliance and Finesse:  good damage, lower accuracy, good crits

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Weapon Sheet (Melee)
Name:
Tech Level: (Lesser/Greater/Relic)
Type: (Edged, Blunt, Polearm)
Max Attacks Per Round: Typically between 1 and 3

Range:  A Number range in unit squares. 1 for melee.
Damage: [Base] + [ProficiencyMult][Type Dependent Formula]
Accuracy: [Base]+ [ProficiencyMult][Type Dependent Formula]
Crit Chance: [Base] +[ProficiencyMult][Type Dependent Formula]
Crit Damage Bonus: [Base] + [ProficiencyMult][Type Dependent Formula]
Description: Flavor
Special: [Special Attack, if any]
So, basically, the weapon sheet is a straight breakdown of what the weapon will do for you, down to its most basic properties.

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Name: Simple Steel Saber
Tech Level: Lesser
Type: Edged
Max Attacks Per Round: 3

Range:  1
Damage: 3 + [ProficiencyMult][0.2*STR + 0.1 *SPD + 0.05*WIS] (Poor)
Accuracy: 75+ [ProficiencyMult][1.5*GRC + 1*FIN + 0.5*BRI]     (Good)
Crit Chance: 5 +[ProficiencyMult][0.25*FIN + 0.15*GRC + 0.1*BRI ] (Average)
Crit Damage Bonus: 200% + [ProficiencyMult][3*SPD + 2*STR + WIS] (Good)
Description: Flavor
Special: None
So, for a basic starting character with 20 in grace and speed,  and 10 elsewhere. Assuming Proficiency scores of… 0.1, 0.4, 0.8, 1.2, 1.5
Damage = 3, 5, 7, 8, 10
Accuracy =    80, 93, 111, 129, 143
Crit Chance = 6, 8, 10, 13, 15
Crit Damage Bonus = 209%, 236%, 272%, 308%, 335%
So, against a stationary target,
A cadet would have an 80% chance to land a solid hit for 3 damage, and a 6% chance to crit for 6 damage.
A bladesman would have 111% chance to deal 7 damage, and a 10% chance to critically hit for 19 damage.
A bladesmaster would have a 143% chance to land a solid hit for 10 damage, and a 15% chance to crit for 33.5 damage.

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Name: Dauntless Triple Barreled Pistol
Tech Level: Greater
Type: Pistol
Max Attacks Per Round: 3

Range:  1-4
Damage: 5 + [ProficiencyMult][0.3*BRI + 0.2*SPD +  0.1*GRC]    (Average)
Accuracy: 50+ [ProficiencyMult][1*GRC + 0.5*FIN + 0.15*STR]        (Poor)
Crit Chance: 7 +[ProficiencyMult][0.25*FIN + 0.15*GRC + 0.1 *STR ]   (Good)
Crit Damage Bonus: 150% + [ProficiencyMult][3*SPD + 2*BRI + STR]
Description: Flavor
Special: Dauntless blast: Fire all three barrels in one action. ACC -25, DMG*3, cannot crit, consumes 3 pistol eggs. 15% chance to degrade the weapon.
So, for a basic starting character with 20 in brilliance and finesse, 10 elsewhere. Assuming Proficiency scores of… 0.1, 0.4, 0.8, 1.2, 1.5
Damage = 6, 9, 12, 16, 18
Accuracy =    52, 59, 67, 76, 82
Crit Chance = 8, 10, 13, 16, 18
Crit Damage Bonus = 156%, 174%, 198%, 222%, 240%
So, against a stationary target,
A cadet would have a 52% chance to land a solid hit for 6 damage, and an 8% chance to crit for 9 damage.
A pistoleer would have 67% chance to deal 12 damage, and a 13% chance to critically hit for 24 damage.
A deadeye would have an 82% chance to land a solid hit for 18 damage, and a 18% chance to crit for 43 damage.

Understandable?

[FallacyofUrist]

Wow.
Although a bit too complex for my needs.

[Harry Baldman]

Understandable?

Yep!

[...] a simple system for weapons, [...]

Nope! But it's kind of nice anyway, if not in any way, shape or form practical.

[Digital Hellhound]

Otherwise understandable and nice, but are the weapon attributes (Finesse etc.) attributes the characters have? Or where does the value for, let's say Grace, comes into one of those calculations?

[Draignean]

Understandable?

Yep!

[...] a simple system for weapons, [...]

Nope! But it's kind of nice anyway, if not in any way, shape or form practical.

Ah, but it is! (Practical, not simple. I resigned myself to failing at simplicity and have been working triage since.)  As long as you don't change weapons often. Outside of combat you're allowed to pick your primary and secondary weapons, but you're not allowed (or take severe penalties) to use a weapon that isn't your primary or secondary weapon during combat. You can sling a steam rifle into one arm so you can draw your reserve pistol/knuckles/broadsword/etc, but you can't rummage through your pack to grab your other rifle.

The practical upshot of this is that I have to calculate the figures once at the start of combat, and then never again. All abilities effect the end results of the equations, not the individual attributes, so I can tweak the output without ever re-referencing the individual's stats! One of the major slowdowns of D22 combat was that EVERYTHING required  at least two checks: one attribute, and one skill. Heck, brawling required 6 lookups.

This system calculates everything when the players are switching their stuff around, and I can just reference their on-page characters for the relevant data.

Consider a character with an arbitrary spread of 80 skill points,
STR: 9
FIN: 17
GRC: 15
SPD: 13
WIS: 10
BRI: 16
Consider that he's using the two weapons detailed as his primary and secondary. He has Weapon Aptitude in Blades, but only Cadet in pistols, So his combat stat block looks like

{HP, RP, Focus, Light} --> The stat information for the character's current condition
{EVA, CRR} --> Evasion and Critical Hit Resistance
Weapons S.Saber/Daunt. Pistol
RNG: 1/1-4
DMG: 4/6
ACC: 88/52
CRC: 8/8
CRD: 226%/158%

From then on I just need to use d100s to roll accuracy an critical hits- no lookups outside of the character blocks. As I said above, focus abilities only modify the end results (DMG, CRC, EVA, etc), so I don't even need to recalculate when characters hit with, or are hit by, abilities. 

Otherwise understandable and nice, but are the weapon attributes (Finesse etc.) attributes the characters have? Or where does the value for, let's say Grace, comes into one of those calculations?

Yes, a character would have the six attributes,

Strength
Finesse
Grace
Speed
Wisdom
Brilliance

They'd also have an assortment of skills. The tree system will be ready for critique a little later. Maybe today, maybe a few days from now.

[Harry Baldman]

Ah, so it's relatively practical. Still probably would require a piece of software to manage the rolls, methinks, but I assume you've got that handled, since you managed D22 the same way if I recall correctly.

Might not want to bother with weapon ranges, however. Scarcely ever worth it (practically, of course, theoretically there's always talk of tactics this and range of options that) as far as I'm aware, and a play-by-post game doesn't work too well with maps or much in the way of level design in general.

[Draignean]

Ah, so it's relatively practical. Still probably would require a piece of software to manage the rolls, methinks, but I assume you've got that handled, since you managed D22 the same way if I recall correctly.

Might not want to bother with weapon ranges, however. Scarcely ever worth it (practically, of course, theoretically there's always talk of tactics this and range of options that) as far as I'm aware, and a play-by-post game doesn't work too well with maps or much in the way of level design in general.

Actually, I've been lurking the hell out of the FEF threads (Which, by total coincidence, use a similar system of combat), and I've developed a bit of an affection for the style. Part of the game is combat, which is played on a grid (I'm thinking hexes, just for kicks), and has very strict guidelines for what can and cannot be done. The better part of the game is the RP section, which doesn't involve the hex maps/range/complex system of hitting-countering-defending-buggering-a-trout that combat uses. The RP sections uses... Actually, let me just quote the working draft of the rules section.

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Roleplay Sections
Roleplay is the bulk of Lighthouse play. Being a Pact Mercenary isn't about hitting people in the head with pointy objects, it's about resolving conflicts and getting paid in the process. Granted, many of those conflicts will eventually require that someone get bashed repeatedly about the head with a pointy object, but that's typically just one step in a solution. The corruption of one man can be ended with a swift blow, but the problem he represents does not die so easily.

Roleplay sections are about the story: the dilemmas and the conflicts, the failures and the successes, the glory and the betrayal. Combat is fun, and it's a good tool to resolve a situation when the other options run down, but the RP sections are what carry the story of Lighthouse, and they are where you have the most freedom to be creative.

Anything you want to do in an RP section, you can do. Assuming, that is, that you have the skills. The rolling section below has the details, but nearly every major action in the RP sections can be associated with a skill check. The skill checks can be made to represent any action, from severing a knot with a well placed clockwork egg to designing and building a self replicating crystal beetle. Naturally, some things are far more difficult to do, and some actions will require that the character have purchased specific skills before they can reasonably expect success. Yet, there is always room for a bit of creativity. How the character performs an action makes a big difference in how the skill check is made and how difficult it is. 
Suppose the character is confronted with a locked door. The character could try bash the door down, pick the lock, melt the lock with magic, bump the hinges, burn the door down, shoot the lock with an exploding egg, or try any combination of fanciful options. Whichever option the character uses, there will be a specific attribute combination to govern the interaction, and a specific amount of difficulty that must be overcome.
Play to your strengths, but be smart. That crystal door may be exceptionally easy to have your artificer take down with a few explosives, but the elegant runes carved across its surface do look oddly menacing...

Rolling
Each skill check has a difficulty rating attached, of the form DR: 0-150, and indicates the failure chance for a completely unremarkable individual. So a DR: 0 action is one so easy that even the most unskilled individual could complete it without significant thought, whereas a DR: 150 action is impossible for most individuals, and all but impossible for the very skilled. Most skill checks will fall into the region of 25-85; a challenging experience, but not masochistic.

Some skill checks require that the character possess a specific skill before they can attain a reasonable chance of success. These kinds of actions are skilled actions, and the player will be warned before they attempt to perform a skilled action for which they lack the prerequisites. A player can still roll for skilled actions that they lack the specific skill for, but a significant penalty will be added to the difficulty rating. If the player has the direct prerequisite for the skill required, but not the skill itself, the penalty will be reduced but still present. The penalties for not having the right skills for skilled actions are stiff, typically running between 50 and 100 point difficulty increases. Most career soldiers couldn't interpret the meaning of a centuries old manuscript anymore than most famed historians could hold a shield wall against a rifle fusillade, but you can always get a little lucky.

--> This is a table in wikidot script. Just.. you know, see the code.

||~ **Skill Check Rank** ||~ **Difficulty Range**||
||= //Straightforward// ||= //DR: 0-15 (V. Rare)// ||
||= //Easy// ||= //DR: 15-25 (Rare)// ||
||= //Moderate// ||= //DR: 25-45// ||
||= //Tough// ||= //DR: 45-65// ||
||= //Challenging// ||= //DR: 65-85// ||
||= //Punishing// ||= //DR: 85-105 (Rare)// ||
||= //Nigh Impossible// ||= //DR: 105+ (V. Rare)// ||

To actually make a skill check, two of the character's attributes are selected. The attribute pair selected is entirely dependent on how the character is approaching the situation. If, for instance, the character was trying to bash down a door, the pair might be STR and SPD, but it could be FIN and BRI if they were attempting to pick the lock instead. The sum of the pair is then added to [100 - (Skillcheck DR)] to create the player's final success chance. A d100 is this rolled against the success chance. If the d100 rolls at or below the success chance, then the character succeeds at whatever they were trying to do. If the d100 rolls above, then the character fails the action. If the attribute pair added to the check modifier exceeds 100, the character succeeds automatically. If, however, the player's final success chance is less than 1, they will automatically fail unless the player opted to Push the Limit.

Consequences for failing a skill check vary, but, in most cases, you cannot try a roll again indefinitely. Failing to bash down the locked door might result in minor character damage and would certainly alert anyone on the other side of the door. Failing to pick a lock might result in breaking your picks inside, making the lock much more difficult, or even impossible, to pick.

Pushing the Limits
Sometimes creativity isn't enough, sometimes you're stuck with no good way to resolve a situation. In these cases, where failure is both likely and unacceptable, the player may choose to Push the Limits. When a player pushes the limits, they pick any number less than or equal to 50. When the skill check they want to Push the Limits on comes up, that number is subtracted from the d100 before the result is interpreted. If the result is positive, then it's evaluated as normal. If the result is negative, the action succeeds automatically, but a Limit Break has occurred.

Breaking the Limits has penalties, and can be thought of as overshooting your goal. Breaking the Limits has side effects of variable severity, dependent on how far you were pushing the limits to begin with, and how far negative the roll went. A swordsman pushing the limits by +10 and then rolling a -1 is certainly going to feel it in the morning, but not on same level that an Arbitomancer pushing a +50 and rolling a -43 will.

Bad situations created by Breaking the Limits are the one special case for the applicability of Pushing the Limits: you cannot Push the Limits to solve a problem caused by Breaking the Limits. You make your bed and you lie down in it.  This applies to your teammates as well. If you get a mortal wound as a result of a Limit Break, your physician cannot Push the Limits to fix it at the end of the fight.

[monk12]

>Logs into forum
>Checks Gaming Block thread, sees discussion about Magical Lesbian Vampire battles and ways to keep GM burnout low
>Checks Rollers Block, CRAZY MATH
>face.set(o.O);

[piecewise]

http://www.mediafire.com/view/mw62djb6mvqluna/Game_Idea_Generator.html

Here's something fun for you. Maybe helpful.  It generates ideas for games. I've generated a few ones I like:

NAME: QUEST FOR A WONDERFUL MEAL
FOCUS: Player VS GM/NPC Combat and Treasure Hunting/Looting
SUBJECT MATTER: Utopia, Advertisements, Genies


NAME: QUEST FOR A WELL-GROOMED DRAMA
FOCUS: Basic Survival and Story Telling
SUBJECT MATTER: Hobos, Mental Health, Costumes


NAME: CROWDED PLANT
FOCUS: Managing and Managing
SUBJECT MATTER: Haunted Ruins, Answers, Totalitarianism


NAME: THE FLAMBOYANT POET
FOCUS: Exploration
SUBJECT MATTER: Nanomachines, Steampunk, Motorcycles


NAME: THE GROWLING WINTER
FOCUS: Basic Survival and Story Telling
SUBJECT MATTER: Alternate Universe, Government, Korean War

[Yoink]

>Logs into forum
>Checks Gaming Block thread, sees discussion about Magical Lesbian Vampire battles and ways to keep GM burnout low
>Checks Rollers Block, CRAZY MATH
>face.set(o.O);

We've all gone mad in your absence. Run a game! Save usssss!



@Piecewise: Wow, that first one is awesome. A bunch of a utopian society's penniless dregs, finally fed up with the constant advertisements for the delicious foods enjoyed by the upper classes and who will stop at nothing to get some of those tasty treats for themselves.
Not sure how the 'genies' come into it, though... perhaps they are some strange sect of rebels, arming the peasantry to cause chaos?

[IronyOwl]

NAME: A BULKY USUAL

FOCUS: Player VS GM/NPC Combat and Exploration

SUBJECT MATTER: Maids, Air, Economy

A rusted, bulky sky mansion putters through the air, its attendant battle maids seeking out rare materials and subjects to sell to everyone else. Only the adaptable survive here in the skies, as guests won't pay for outdated services!

Alternatively, the whole thing takes place underwater, where maids have to manage the air consumption of various tasks balanced against their use in the present economy. If braving underwater temples of unspeakable tentacled horrors can get you a slow-roasted stew without burning all of your air, that just might be profitable enough to attempt!

NAME: IRRESPONSIBLE AFFAIR

FOCUS: Tactical Combat and Exploration

SUBJECT MATTER: Age Of Exploration, Horror, Samurai

Samurai go exploring the world in search of honor. Oh, did I mention the world is filled with screeching evils awakened by the disturbance of intruders? Nonetheless, leaving a horde of cackling atrocities in your wake is a small price to pay for the privilege of seeing your friends die in front of you over and over again in the haunted ruins of a mansion that echoes with the faint cries of your lost love!

NAME: A SPOTTED GRAB

FOCUS: God Game and Creation/Building

SUBJECT MATTER: Trenchcoats, Genocide, Transmutation

Shit, guys. Shit. That... that did not go well. It's alright though, NEXT time we'll get it. I mean, our ancestors managed to create a nice enough place that we were really sad when it became a polluted cyberpunk hell, right? So surely the Eden Project will result in something other than everybody's creations being wiped out with shotguns EVENTUALLY. Just gotta keep at it, y'know?


So yeah, this seems pretty cool.


EDIT:

NAME: THE PRESTIGIOUS ENTHUSIASM

FOCUS: Managing

SUBJECT MATTER: Dungeon Building, Sleepover, Royalty

Oh my god this just recommended Pretty Princess Peasant Torturer 11/10 best generator ever.

[Dermonster]

If you don't run one or all of those games Irony I shall be disappoint.

It's been far too long since I played a proper man in a dress.

(Be a Hero doesn't count, I have a shield and breastplate)

[Andres]

>Logs into forum
>Checks Gaming Block thread, sees discussion about Magical Lesbian Vampire battles and ways to keep GM burnout low
>Checks Rollers Block, CRAZY MATH
>face.set(o.O);

We've all gone mad in your absence. Run a game! Save usssss!

He's running You are a Necromancer! at the moment. Luckily, the whole ISG bit was an April Fool's joke and now it's back to its awesome SG (without the 'I') goodness.