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[lawastooshort]

They are retrieving Sir Keardwall's holy exterior spleen.

Ooh, gosh, good idea. Thank you.

Secondary objectives could include making as much people foaming from their mouths in anger as possible with their terrible verses, and you could add a counter of "ANGRY PEOPLE" to the game.

Interesting. Hmm.

[monk12]

This would complicate it a bit, but how about associated penalties depending on your current wounds? So a broken leg would reduce movement, it's harder to use your sword if you've taken a stab to the arm, etc. Also, if you'd like to introduce death by blunt weapon, you could always use the concept of internal bleeding. It'd probably fit right alongside very heavy bleeding, perhaps 40 healing points, skilled medical attention, and -10 HP per turn.

I knew I forgot to mention something.There actually are penalties based on those things.

Spoiler: GWSWS 1.2 (click to show/hide)

This is the GWSWS, as lawastooshort calls it, a simple system for tracking player injuries in RTDs. It's evolved over time, and will probably continue to do so.
Injuries
Light Bleeding: Anything from a paper cut to a bad scrape. 10 healing points. [-1 HP per turn]
Heavy Bleeding: Caused by stab wounds, deep cuts, etc. Requires medical attention and 20 healing points. [-5 HP per turn]
Very Heavy Bleeding: Results from major bodily harm, such as impalement or severed limbs. Requires skilled medical attention and 30 healing points. [-20 HP per turn]
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Burn: Caused by tissue damage. Requires medical attention and 20 healing points.
Fracture: Caused by moderate blunt trauma. Requires medical attention and 20 healing points.
Broken Bone: Caused by heavy blunt trauma. Requires skilled medical attention and 40 healing points.
Missing Limb: Never heals, obviously.
Health
Players make a healing roll [1d6] for each wound they currently possess, starting on the turn after they receive it. The amount rolled is added to the wound's healing points, and the wound disappears when the points max out. Healing rolls cannot be made for a wound until it has received the proper medical attention. If a wound requires skilled medical attention, only players or NPCs with relevant medical knowledge can apply it properly. Everyone else gets a -2 penalty. Bleeding injuries drain health, of which each player starts with a maximum of 100. If a player has no bleeding injuries, they regain 4 hitpoints per turn naturally.

The first three injury types you see there are bleeding injuries, and they drain health directly. The last four are structural injuries; they don't drain health, but instead provide penalties. If you break a rib for instance, that's -2 to movement and dodge rolls. A missing/broken arm gives -2 to use of two-handed weapons, etc.

As for blunt damage and internal bleeding, I'm thinking that could work. Another possibility is just making huge differences in attack/dodge rolls (like seven or more, not normally possible on a d6) inflict an instant death blow. That way a blunt weapon gradually incapacitates the enemy with wounds and increases their dodge penalty, eventually to the point that a death blow is assured. Which also brings up the question of how to deal with unconsciousness and GAH

So, this has been percolating through the back o' me head for a while now (apparently, one week to be precise.) Since I'm now pondering another RTD that would benefit from this kind of a system, I thought I'd put some serious thought into it and share my take.

Spoiler: GMWS (click to show/hide)

aka "GM Wound System" aka "Gatleos/Monk Wound System"

HP, Unconsciousness, and Death

HP represents the ability of a character to be not-unconscious. HP commonly represents (but is not limited to) the blood, adrenaline, or sheer willpower of a character. By the same token, HP is commonly depleted by blood loss, morale failure, and severe pain. Many weapons/attacks deal direct HP damage.

When HP reaches 0 or less, the character has taken as much as they can stand. They must immediately make a Roll to Dodge Unconsciousness. If they succeed, they remain upright but must continue to roll if they take any HP damage at all, whether from further attacks, bleeding, etc. If they fail, they immediately pass out, with all that implies. This often means that they cannot defend themselves from attacks or have any meaningful impact on the waking world until they wake up. Players may regain consciousness by rolling to Wake Up, receiving medical attention, or having positive HP.

Negative HP means a character is dying. Characters take a -1 penalty to all actions (including dodges for death and dying) for every -10 HP they have. If a character is unconscious and at negative HP, then they must make a Roll to Dodge Death every time they take HP damage. On a 1, they die. On a 2-3, they lose 10 HP. On a 4-5, nothing happens. 6, regain consciousness.

Injuries

An Injury is a status effect suffered by a character in certain situations. Injuries often result in HP loss for a character, or may impose a penalty to certain actions. Injuries have two stats- how much damage is taken per turn until medical attention is received, and how long it takes until the wound is fully healed. Below is a list of common injuries.

Bleeding: Caused by stab wounds, deep cuts, etc. Requires medical attention and 20 healing points. [-5 HP per turn]
Heavy Bleeding: Caused by significant wounds, such as large gashes and deep punctures. Requires medical attention and 30 healing points. [-10 HP per turn]
Mangled: Results from major bodily harm, such as impalement or severed limbs. Requires extensive medical attention in the form of lotsa bandages, and 30 healing points. [-20 HP per turn]
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Burn: Caused by tissue damage. Requires medical attention and 20 healing points. -1 to afflicted area.
Fracture: Caused by moderate blunt trauma. Requires extensive medical attention in the form of a splint and 20 healing points. -2 to afflicted area.
Broken Bone: Caused by heavy blunt trauma. Requires extensive medical attention in the form of a cast and 40 healing points. -3 to afflicted area.
Missing Limb: Never heals, obviously.

Healing

Injuries can be cured once a player receives medical attention. When treated, bleeding injuries no longer inflict HP loss, and structural injuries impose half the penalty (rounded down.) However, treated injuries are still a weak spot- any attack that would hit the injured area may reopen the wound, causing immediate HP damage from the pain, restarting the HP loss and possibly worsening the severity of the injury. If a wound requires extensive medical attention, then that wound requires additional resources to cure- splints, painkillers, or something else more involved than a ragged cloth bandage. Treatment cannot begin until such resources are found- improvised materials impose a -2 penalty to the treatment roll.

Players make a healing roll [1d6] for each treated injury they currently possess, starting on the turn after they receive treatment. This roll is made at the end of the player's turn. The amount rolled is added to the wound's healing points, and the wound disappears when the points max out. Whenever a player goes one full turn without taking damage, they regain 5 HP.

So! Of note, nonlethal attacks deal damage by attacking HP directly without inflicting injuries. Weapons/attacks are intended to deal either HP damage or Injury damage, not both. I threw out the idea of "skilled medical attention," replacing it with the need for legit medical supplies for some injuries. I specified some penalties for the structural injuries (probably needs balancing.) Overall, it is a bit harder to die since you get a specific Roll to Dodge Death that only comes up in specific instances, but it is easier end up unconscious due to rebalancing of Bleeding and direct HP damage.

I'd still like to add an Attack segment to provide guidelines for how severity/location of injuries is determined. Thoughts?

[Caellath]

That unconsciousness system looks like the one IronyOwl was impinging upon his players. And it makes a little sense.

[lawastooshort]

I'd still like to add an Attack segment to provide guidelines for how severity/location of injuries is determined. Thoughts?

Severity, using the GWSWS as a model, is determined using attack roll - defence roll, and location is either random OR random but with a +1/-1 modifier on the location table to increase the chance of hitting the target.

10ebbor10 has a good wound table improved from the draft one I use.

[10ebbor10]

Adding to that, I got a rough draft for explosion and magical damage, some ideas for poisonous damage and such.

Unconsciousness and non-lethal weapons are handled different. Non-lethal weapons just give penalties, and when the penalties overcome the rolls the player has to make to do things, he's stated as unconscious.

[Dermonster]

Didn't I help add the localized limb penalties to that system?

[monk12]

Adding to that, I got a rough draft for explosion and magical damage, some ideas for potionous damage and such.

Unconciousness and non lethal weapons are handled different. Non lethal weapons just give penalties, and when the penatlies overcome the rolls the player has to make to do things, he's stated as unconcious.

Don't you be teasing me with your tables and then not posting/linking to them!

...me fail english? That's unpossible!

That unconsciousness system looks like the one IronyOwl was impinging upon his players. And it makes a little sense.

Care to link so I can check it out myself?

[10ebbor10]

Spoiler: Wound table(based on a draft by Iawa) (click to show/hide)

Explosive damage: (We're talking about semi magical devices here. For science fiction and other things with high yield explosives you need to change the numbers)
-Damage levels at ground zero:-[ Att-dodge] (Blunt damage)
                                            - [Att-dodge] (Fire damage)
-Further: n*(5 meter): [Att-Dodge-n]

If an object is shattered by the blast, add another damage roll with a -2 penalty to the explosion roll, this time with sharp damage.
 
Poison damage: (Rolled on top of the existing wound). Precise effects might depend on the potion. S
1. Nauseous (-2 to next turns rolls)
2. Light poisoning (-1 on all rolls till cured. 1hp damage/turn. Requires 10 healing points)
3. Extremely Nauseous (-2 for the next d3 turns)
4. Medium poisoning (-1 on all rolls till cured. 5hp damage/turn. Requires 15 healing points Needs some medical attention.(Mostly someone making you puke, which can be accomplished by another poison effect))
5. Severe poisoning (-1 on all rolls till cured. 10 hp damage/turn. Requires 30 healing points. Antidote required )

Fire damage:
1. Scorched (-1 to afflicted area. 10 healing points)
2. Burnt
3. First degree burn (Immediate -5 hp. -2 to afflicted area. 30 healing points)
4. Second degree burn (Immediate -10 hp -2 to afflicted area 40 healing points)
5. On fire (-5 hp/turn. Requires dousing. After dousing, roll a dn +1 where n is the amount of turns the fire lasted (This last roll can't kill, but can let players go unconscious.))
6. Third degree burn (Immediate -15 hp. -3 to afflicted area. 50 healing points)
7. Charred (Immediate -20 hp. Afflicted area is painless but will need to be amputated.)

Sharp damage:
1. Bruise
2. Light bleeding
3. Medium bleeding
4. Organ pierced [Exactly the same as medium bleeding, though it can only be cured by skilled doctors and gives a penalty on top]
5. Severed

Blunt damage:
1.Bruise
2. Fracture
3. Broken
4. Internal bleeding [Exactly the same as medium bleeding, though it can only be cured by skilled doctors and gives a penalty on top]
5. Pulped (=Severed)

Wounds: (then you have to randomize between left/right etc. You still have to come up with the penalty of course)
1 Face
2 Legs
3 Arms
4 Lower Body
5 Upper Body
6 Head

Note; this is not the one used in my game, nor the one used in Iawa's game. (which, as far as I understand is, is more story based)

And now I made a simple system complicated.

Horrible spelling
 

Don't you be teasing me with your tables and then not posting/linking to them!

...me fail english? That's unpossible!

That unconsciousness system looks like the one IronyOwl was impinging upon his players. And it makes a little sense.

Care to link so I can check it out myself?

I was just finishing the burning rules.

Edit: Ran everything through word. No more writing up things when semi-asleep/not focused.

[lawastooshort]

Note; this is not the one used in my game, nor the one used in Iawa's game. (which, as far as I understand is, is more story based)

And now I made a simple system complicated.

Heehee. Yes, the one I use is a draft I emailed to myself months ago and has one table of 5 lines and another of 6. More story based is one way of describing it, indeed; for something more serious I don't see what's wrong with having it all laid out rule book style. I like being able to decide that a wound affects a groin whenever I want though.

[monk12]

Whee, thank you!

Edit: Ran everything through word. No more writing up things when semi-asleep/not focused.

Sorry, was referring to my own unique interpretation of the language. I thought "potionous" was a phrase you were coining- I quite like it.

[lawastooshort]

I've been working a little on Roll to Minstrel and have a couple of questions (the main other thing I need to work on is finishing my deathmatch and figuring out the plot a little better; I would consider PMing the drafted OP to anyone who is very interested, or at least the rules part of it).

I am asking for an obligatory bio in character applications - not so much for a bio's sake but to demonstrate your minstrel's style of minstrelism. Seem acceptable?

Also, I imagine it will be a pain to submit actions or do dialogue in verse form, so I am just going to give +1 bonuses to actions posted in verse form or with a descriptive verse (in the style of your minstrel's school of minstrelship). Obviously the turns themselves will be written in verse form. Seem reasonable?

Please offer feedback.

[Tiruin]

Reasonable, but the problem may be the writing proficiency between players. Verse varies between person to person, but if done in verse, I'd guess it's a just-for-fun moment if so, without the +1 so people won't have a gap between each other.

[Caellath]

Sounds acceptable and good. Writing verses really can be a little of a bother if it was supposed to compose the whole post, but I suppose the bonus to actions in verse or at least partly-verse posts seems reasonable.

The bio is also necessary, but the standards should not be kept too high due to the simple fact some people have some kind of block when writing backgrounds (not my case).

[lawastooshort]

Reasonable, but the problem may be the writing proficiency between players.

Yes, I thought about that, but I don't really know much of a way round it. But then it doesn't have to be gramatically correct, it doesn't have to be perfect, it doesn't necessarily have to even rhyme - it could be so bad/cheesy it's good (rhyming does help with this though, a nicely forced rhyme can be quite goodly bad). Could just be funny. But the bonus will be for the verse being done in character (as per the examples above of Minstrel of Verbose, Swearing, etc), not for how good the verse is.

The world I am using is my adapted Holy Grail world - none of the knights in that were especially competent paragons of knighthood; I don't expect these minstrels to be anything better.

The bio is also necessary, but the standards should not be kept too high

No, quite, for me the importance is entirely is establishing the School of Minstrelness.

[EveryZig]

I am interested in this Roll To Minstrel idea. I think I also agree with verse being reserved of the character speaking or for DRAMATIC ACTIONS.

Would it count as a bard if I made a (wannabe) poet who speaks (or attempts to speak) in haiku?