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[Dermonster]

Hero
1. A person, who is admired for courage or noble qualities.
2. The chief character in a book, play, or movie, who is typically identified with good qualities.
3. The protagonist of a book, play, or movie, who the audience identifies with and roots for.

Simply by being the central focus of the story, they are the 'heroes'. Unless they are the villains.

Unavoidable trope of fiction.

[SeriousConcentrate]

I never said that. Just that if such a thing needs to be obtained or such a person needs to be assassinated, the leader of the army is likely to hand the assignment to the squad that's clearly got the best track record. Also, calm down a bit. ^^^; I'm not sure if you're mad or not, but you're coming off as overly defensive.

[Tarran]

Hero
1. A person, who is admired for courage or noble qualities.
2. The chief character in a book, play, or movie, who is typically identified with good qualities.
3. The protagonist of a book, play, or movie, who the audience identifies with and roots for.

Simply by being the central focus of the story, they are the 'heroes'. Unless they are the villains.

Unavoidable trope of fiction.

Well fine, if you want to be technical.

Replace "hero" with "guy who wins everything and kills everybody" in my many posts.

I never said that. Just that if such a thing needs to be obtained or such a person needs to be assassinated, the leader of the army is likely to hand the assignment to the squad that's clearly got the best track record. Also, calm down a bit. ^^^; I'm not sure if you're mad or not, but you're coming off as overly defensive.

What's to say you've got the best track record?

What about those other couple thousand people who are accomplishing things equal or even better than what you're accomplishing?

[Dermonster]

Well we're still gonna win about everything and kill a lot of people (Except in the case of a TPK, but seriously have you ever actually seen that happen, ever?), it's just a matter of scale, I suppose.

Does it even matter anymore? We're just quibbling now. Have you even decided on which setting you're going to do?

Fakeedit: Oh it's the Sci-fi one, I guess?

[Gatleos]

Really, there doesn't have to be anything special on a grand scale about what the players are accomplishing. Just make sure you make the players feel that they have done something worthwhile. If you're really set on making them as non-special as possible, I'd suggest putting them in a bad situation where the victory condition is the status quo. To use my earlier Alien example, what have the characters gained by the end of the movie? Not dying, and that's about it.

[Tarran]

Does it even matter anymore? We're just quibbling now. Have you even decided on which setting you're going to do?

Not really. I'm still waiting for everyone to voice their opinions on which one they prefer. As it stands, while I've been thinking of the Sci-fi RTD and did some (small) work on the lore just now, it's a mess so far along with my uncertainty that the universe/plot would be interesting, and the other two aren't the choices I'm extremely interested in but I'm fully willing to do them.

Votes so far are 1 for Sci-fi, 2 for Westlands, and 1 for new medieval fantasy. I think.

[IronyOwl]

Would be dark if possible. Chances are everyone will be completely insensitive to the flavor, though. And chances are a dark feel just aren't good for an RTD. But it makes me happy in my various imagine-it-in-my-skull moments at the very least.

Well, depends on the flavor. It definitely has an impact at least some of the time, though, especially when it's backed up by mechanics; "dark" and "high fatality" tend to go well together, for instance, even though they're by no means mutually inclusive.

It's probably true that it's not as good for an RTD, but I'm not sure by how much. I wouldn't avoid doing it just because of that, though.

Replace "hero" with "guy who wins everything and kills everybody" in my many posts.

That sounds like an issue with difficulty, not scale. Immortal God-Kings fighting a desperate, losing battle against waking horrors from beyond the veil of mortal sanity could accomplish this better than faceless mooks on pest extermination duty, for instance.

What about those other couple thousand people who are accomplishing things equal or even better than what you're accomplishing?

Still an issue of isolation/scale, or else it's just not interesting. Nobody's going to want to play a game where you haul boxes from one end of the room to the other unless those boxes are important to them somehow. How many other rooms people are hauling boxes in doesn't necessarily affect that.

Not really. I'm still waiting for everyone to voice their opinions on which one they prefer. As it stands, while I've been thinking of the Sci-fi RTD and did some (small) work on the lore just now, it's a mess so far along with my uncertainty that the universe/plot would be interesting, and the other two aren't the choices I'm extremely interested in but I'm fully willing to do them.

Unless there's space wizards (Jedi, psykers, ghosts, etc) involved, my vote would probably be for another Westlands.

Of course, I'm more concerned with making sure the GM has the inspiration and motivation to make and run the game, since a halfhearted, probably shortlived game to my exact preferences isn't generally as nice as an enthusiastic, long-lived one that's "merely" good.

Would anybody be interested in a RTD where you're a rising gangster in the Prohibition age/era/whateveryouwannacallit? Of course I won't be using Prohibition slang, if I did then everyone would have to look up everything I say. Also, I'm back from my 6-month depression/brooding time, that's why I abandoned my last RTD (Which was a realistic medieval RTD). I'm probably going to do real money calculations, as there were criminal rackets and protection money and some legitimate businesses back then.

Strikes me as the sort of thing where you'd run out of stuff to do rather quickly. First you rough up a shopkeeper, then you assassinate a not-corrupt-enough police officer, then you plant evidence clearing yourself, then you run some hooch from one place to another, then you... er... manage a bar for a little bit? Hire bouncers? Do the exact same things you've been doing but with different targets?

I think it'd either need other factors (supernatural stuff) or a more thorough plot/plot generation system (territory maps/shifting political webs).

Economy:Will probably be sorta like this.

Bare Bones:
Melee= Regular RTD style
Ranged:
1. Roll for aim
2. Roll for bullet trajectory
3.Roll for bullet Lethality(Should I take this one out?)

Not fond of highly uneven numbers like that. What's the difference between $130 and $134? Hell if I know, it's all going in a sack anyway.

I get the feeling you came up with that ranged combat system because it's "realistic" in some sense, not because it's fun, balanced, or easy to run.

[Tarran]

Replace "hero" with "guy who wins everything and kills everybody" in my many posts.

That sounds like an issue with difficulty, not scale. Immortal God-Kings fighting a desperate, losing battle against waking horrors from beyond the veil of mortal sanity could accomplish this better than faceless mooks on pest extermination duty, for instance.

No, it's scale.

And pest extermination is a very, very poor example of what the fighting would be like.

What about those other couple thousand people who are accomplishing things equal or even better than what you're accomplishing?

Still an issue of isolation/scale, or else it's just not interesting. Nobody's going to want to play a game where you haul boxes from one end of the room to the other unless those boxes are important to them somehow. How many other rooms people are hauling boxes in doesn't necessarily affect that.

Once again, poor example. There will be no box hauling.

And yes, those boxes WILL be important. They won't be "Oh lol we win war", but they will be "We made progress against the enemy".

[Toaster]

Would anybody be interested in a RTD where you're a rising gangster in the Prohibition age/era/whateveryouwannacallit? Of course I won't be using Prohibition slang, if I did then everyone would have to look up everything I say. Also, I'm back from my 6-month depression/brooding time, that's why I abandoned my last RTD (Which was a realistic medieval RTD). I'm probably going to do real money calculations, as there were criminal rackets and protection money and some legitimate businesses back then.

I'd be interested.  There was one that tried to do this style (though not this era.)


I agree in part with what Irony said, though: a shifting "influence" map would add a lot to the game.  It'd be less interesting to know I control three bars and two shops and more interesting to control the Docks and the Old Industrial district.

[Yoink]

Would anybody be interested in a RTD where you're a rising gangster in the Prohibition age/era/whateveryouwannacallit? Of course I won't be using Prohibition slang, if I did then everyone would have to look up everything I say. Also, I'm back from my 6-month depression/brooding time, that's why I abandoned my last RTD (Which was a realistic medieval RTD). I'm probably going to do real money calculations, as there were criminal rackets and protection money and some legitimate businesses back then.

Gimme!  I'll play, that period of history is always interesting. Can I be some kind of corrupt cop shaking hoodlums down for drugs?

[Draignean]

Tarran, (this computer has no mouse and is making selecting individual quotes a pain in the ass)the problem is that  if you attempt to create a perfect simulation of reality, you may well succeed.

For instance, continuing in a Sci-Fi vein, if the Big Good gets wind of the Big Bad setting up a BFG that could wipe them out, they will doubtless send their crack team to stop it before all goes horribly wrong. The trouble with that + reality settings on high is that you end up with a situation like this...

"The situation was dire, all life as we knew it hung in the balance, the very soul of the universe was at stake. The stars were black and the moons shone as red as blood, a portent perhaps of the trials to come when humanity made one last effort to save itself from the forces of the scourge.

-Onto mental stage walk four figures-

Now comes players 1,2,3, and 4! A cook, a rifleman, a medic, and a pilot, these brave men and women will be absolutely nowhere near the danger. Yea, even as the plasmic fire of the dying stars shatters across the battlefield of space whilst the best and brightest fight the war for man's salvation, these brave players shall do such intrepid things as eat MRE's, patrol backwater outposts, and attend disciplinary functions for lude behavior!"
 
In essence it would be like the LOTR from the viewpoint of Gondorian soldier number 7. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Oh man, Boromir is dead, that sucks. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. OH MOTHER  OF  ALL, THE ENDLESS BLACK LEGIONS! Die and Be buried. (I used to be a guard, then I took an arrow to the throat.)

[Yoink]

...Goshdarn, strangely enough I find myself wanting to play that.

[Draignean]

...Goshdarn, strangely enough I find myself wanting to play that.

The Sci-Fi blurb or Gondorian soldier #6?

[Tarran]

Will people stop effing assuming that the players would do absolutely nothing of value and will spend their stuff doing boring stuff? That is simply incorrect.

[Draignean]

Will people stop effing assuming that the players would do absolutely nothing of value and will spend their stuff doing boring stuff? That is simply incorrect.

Hell I'm actually starting to like the comedic one a bit. 

But honestly, Tarran, 95% of life is the boring stuff. Add that to the fact that you've already stated that players won't be participating in any pivotal events and you end up with a battle that has the same net effect as if the players decided to clean some REALLY deadly latrines.