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[adwarf]

Irony if you do make the Mechwarrior/gundam RTD I call a spot.

[IronyOwl]

You know what? I'm kind of thinking about making either a space opera or everyone-dies-horribly-in-space RTD, so if you've got anything to say on what you'd like or hate to see, speak up.

[Aklyon]

space opera meaning what?

[SeriousConcentrate]

Pretty sure Star Wars is considered a space opera, for reference. I'm interested in seeing what IronyOwl comes up with either way he goes with. ^^

[Talarion]

Space Opera is what people call 'Sci Fi', basically shows set in the future with high tech that has no basis in real science.

[Tarran]

Sorry, what? I couldn't hear your logic over the sound of giant robots swordfighting in space. With lasers.

Sorry, what? I couldn't hear your lack of logic over the sound of people in overly expensive suits flying into and crumpling against against a ship's shield.

...Wait, space doesn't have sound.

Sorry, what? I couldn't hear your lack of logic over the sound of space.

...no, no that makes even less sense...

Whatever.

The only issues I recall were that it got too complex, and you sort of lost interest in it. If you mean issues with the feasibility of maintaining shields or the power requirements of warp travel, those wouldn't really apply because I'd flagrantly and shamelessly ignore them.

Dead on. Almost. I think I also made it so people had specific jobs, which were likely pretty boring. It would've been better having them all in fighters or something.

You know what? I'm kind of thinking about making either a space opera or everyone-dies-horribly-in-space RTD, so if you've got anything to say on what you'd like or hate to see, speak up.

Aliens. Put lots of aliens infiltrating human areas.

Oh, and let players be aliens. It would be interesting trying to pose as a human when you're an alien.

Also, weren't you making SMII? Or did you give up? If it's the latter, don't worry, I've given up several RTDs before.

space opera meaning what?

I'm not sure if this will explain it a whole lot, but Wikipedia has a page on it.

[IronyOwl]

Space Opera is what people call 'Sci Fi', basically shows set in the future with high tech that has no basis in real science.

This is a pretty good definition, or at least the one I'm using. Star Wars would be the obvious example, but I'd include most science fiction works, really (or at least, most of any notable popularity). If it's not sort of weird, like 2001: A Space Odyssey, it's probably a space opera.

Aliens. Put lots of aliens infiltrating human areas.

Oh, and let players be aliens. It would be interesting trying to pose as a human when you're an alien.

So sort of X-COM-y, where it's humans, quite possibly just Earth, being infiltrated by sneaky, technologically superior forces with unknown motivation?

Dunno, if I was going for that type of thing I think I'd prefer it more Halo-y, with open warfare more than "These damn aliens keep popping up like cockroaches and we don't know why."

If I was going to go more for the infiltration/some players are disguised aliens route, I'd probably go for the mooks aboard a space station who are probably going to die scenario, where in the meantime they keep trying to root out the aliens and stop the reactor from detonating, oxygen from being turned off, thrusters from nudging the place into whatever it orbits, etc.

Also, weren't you making SMII? Or did you give up? If it's the latter, don't worry, I've given up several RTDs before.

I'm certainly still considering it, or possibly a more Conan-esque RTD, but I just don't feel like I'm ready yet. The space RTD will almost assuredly be pretty simple no matter what I do- maybe a +1 to something from your profession, then perhaps some equipment bonuses and a few more perks if you live long enough, but nothing like SM in its complexity.

[Tarran]

So sort of X-COM-y, where it's humans, quite possibly just Earth, being infiltrated by sneaky, technologically superior forces with unknown motivation?

Dunno, if I was going for that type of thing I think I'd prefer it more Halo-y, with open warfare more than "These damn aliens keep popping up like cockroaches and we don't know why."

If I was going to go more for the infiltration/some players are disguised aliens route, I'd probably go for the mooks aboard a space station who are probably going to die scenario, where in the meantime they keep trying to root out the aliens and stop the reactor from detonating, oxygen from being turned off, thrusters from nudging the place into whatever it orbits, etc.

Halo-ish is fine. I was thinking of: Humanity is at war with X. X has bad terms with Y, Z etc. X is winning against humanity, humanity falling slowly but painfully. Y, Z, or others secretly send help in the form of their own soldiers in suits that make them appear and sound as though they were human as long as they don't loose power, and also maintain them (since I doubt they'll get to eat their own food for a while). Y, Z, etc don't directly send help lest they start their own war with X, which is stronger than them.

I don't know why, I just find an interest in that sort of thing. And trying to roleplay it may be interesting.

[Digital Hellhound]

That sounds pretty interesting, Tarran. I'd play that. I can already see the problems these 'infiltrators' from Y and Z would have trying to fit in with real humans.

[Tarran]

Heheh, yeah.

Human male: *Whispering* "Hey, Dude, check out Asha and her bombshells." *Whew!*
Alien: "BOMBS?!"
*Everyone in the room stares*
Human male: *Whispering* "...no, bombshells. Her breasts."
Alien: "...I knew that!"
Human male: "Riiiighhhhhhtttt."

Or:

Human male Sergeant: "It's 8 AM, GET UP!"
Alien: "What? I thought it was 2 GT..."
*Confused look from the Sergeant*
Human male Sergeant: "What have you been taking? There's no 'GT' time."
Alien: "...Umm, I mean, yes, yes, it's 8 AM and I should get up. _{Crap. Crap crap crap.}"

Or:

Human male: *Whew!* "Check out Jane. She is H.O.T. Hot!"
Alien Medic: *Touches Jane's forhead* "She seems fine to me."
*Silence*

[IronyOwl]

So, going further into the tangent of things I'm not going to run, that sounds like some sort of pseudo-mafia game, where everyone's got weird restrictions and requirements, and has to attempt to find the alien infiltrators in a station full of genuine lunatics. This isn't relevant to anything and would have some problems, but is at least amusing in theory.


Back on topic, alien infiltrators could make for an interesting dynamic, at least if you could never be certain they were fully and permanently on the humans' side. Trouble is, it's likely half the team would end up as them. Which I guess could be further interesting, but you might as well go fully integrated at that point.

[SeriousConcentrate]

Indeed. It would probably be best to have everyone make a character, and then PM one of them and tell them they're an alien infiltrator and let them decide what to do with it.

[TolyK]

I;d LOVE a mechwarrior-type game, but:

You lost me at Gundam.

[TolyK]

...Problems with that:

How the hell are mechs in space worth their money? Jumpjets, grav drives, grav decks on ships
How the hell are the mechs going to move in space without huge engines? Why would you build mechs anyway if you are basically building a ship? Grav decks/grav drives. These are amphibious too
How the hell are you going to stick enough armor on a mech to survive against actual ships? Make a new type of armor
How the hell are you going to stick good enough weapons on the mechs to actually damage the ships even a minor amount without resorting to nukes? Make a new type of weapon   Use a fusion reactor

I'm not trying to shoot you down or anything, but it's just... not practical. You'd have fun just trying to explain it! Space really isn't a place for land vehicles. :|

Sure as hell yeah. But it's fun!

[Tarran]

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Jumpjets, grav drives, grav decks on ships

That doesn't answer the question. :|

Grav decks/grav drives. These are amphibious too

Maybe. I still don't know what you mean by gravity drives, though. Also, you didn't answer the second part of the question.

Make a new type of armor

Why would you put it on mechs, then? Why not ships which could hold a lot more stuff on them for their size (since they don't need empty slots between arms and legs)? Would the armor's strength actually overcome the small amount of armor that could be put on mechs?

Make a new type of weapon   Use a fusion reactor

Same as the above. Why would they put it on mechs when they could put it on a ship? The ship would use them much more effectively.

Look, there's several things about the mechs. Good and bad:

Good:
If you've got great pilots, you've got a very deadly force.
You can do precision strikes.
...I can't think of any more off the top of my head.

Bad:
Less space efficient compared to ships (spaces between arms and torso, and between both legs).
Fragile (unless you put a TON of armor on it).
Expensive.
Manned by one person, which means a good shot leaves it drifting. Not only that, but since there's only one person, if the person has a mental or physical problem no one will or can replace them.
Needs a range of new techs for it to work.
Precision strikes against ships are kinda... pointless unless it's a VERY high level ship. But you're still having to get to it through likely fleets of other ships. Also, they likely can do ONLY precision strikes.

The bad outweighs the good.

I'm not trying to shoot you down or anything, but it's just... not practical. You'd have fun just trying to explain it! Space really isn't a place for land vehicles. :|

Sure as hell yeah. But it's fun!

Alright. I won't argue with that. Though you really shouldn't try to argue with me if you just agreed that they're not practical.

Anyway, pointless rant is pointless. Let's not derail this thread any further.

To get it back on track, who's planning RTDs and what RTDs are you planning?