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[Tarran]

Oh balls, didn't notice. D:

[Talarion]

Heheh. It's okay, I'm falling awake anyways. I mean asleep. I'm falling asleep..,

[adwarf]

Heheh. It's okay, I'm falling awake anyways. I mean asleep. I'm falling asleep..,

You need some rest.

[IronyOwl]

Forum Game then ?

Yeah, likely a better choice.

Been done before, but usually ends up too complicated for most GMs, and sometimes some players.

[Aklyon]

So, I think I've fixed my Shaper RTD's system so it actually will work easily enough, The story I can make much more easily. What do you guys think?

Spoiler: Stuff copied from old thread (click to show/hide)

Shaper as in Geneforge. This will likely end up not very accurate to the lengths of apprenticeships and so on, but it'll be a good idea nonetheless, I hope.

Three choices of class, even though to outsiders you will all be called 'Shaper':
Guardian: "I AM THE ONE WHO MAKES THE ENEMY FALL DOWN!" Likely not very smart. Strong. Heavy Armor is a possibility. Can't shape anything too very useful to him, except for magic creations. Least likely to die via magical accident/experiment fail. Very large need for healing pods (or even more armor).

Agent: "Need something done in the night?" Sneaky. Best spellcaster. Not very good at shaping, but can still make a weak pet or two if they want. Fast. You must construct additional pylons. acquire much energy.

Shaper: "Do you not see the importance of this being undisturbed? Shut up!" Obviously, best at Shaping. Not very strong or durable. Want a large guard force of your own creations? Make it. Most likely to die from magical accident/experiment fail, since that pretty much what they usually do if they aren't fighting, or doing something else. Very large need for Essence.

Character Sheet:
Name:
Shaper | Agent | Guardian
How you were accepted into the Shapers:
Bio:

Spoiler: Skills (click to show/hide)

You start with 100 points. Use them how you wish, but they will not last past char. creation.
Skill Bonuses:
No rank: 0 or -1 to roll, depends on your luck. Does not affect unranked skills.
Rank II: +1 to [skill] rolls.
Rank IV: +2
Rank VI: +3

General:
Part of the Shapers (+1 to getting your way, does not affect GMs. ) [Auto]
Chitin Armor Proficiency (I'd name it light armor, but is there really any other light armor (robes do not count) besides it?) [Auto]
Noted Inherent Magical Ability [Auto]
Melee I [Auto]
Ranged I [Auto]
Firebolt I [10, 5 for Agents]
Leadership I [10, Costs an extra 10 points (Rank II costs 30, III 40, etc) each additional starting rank]
Mechanics I [10, Costs an extra 10 points (Rank II costs 30, III 40, etc) each additional starting rank]
Stealth I [10 for Agent, 15 for Shaper, 30 for Guardian. Guardian cannot get past Rank III due to armor noise if wearing something tougher than Chitin Armor. +10 points per additional starting rank.]
Dragnar'd the RNG [Auto, but only if you get the reference and pass the condition.]

Fighting:
Melee II+ [10, 15 if Shaper. Costs an extra 10 points (Rank II costs 30, III 40, etc) each additional starting rank. Add 5 points per rank if Shaper]
Ranged II+ [10, Costs an extra 10 points (Rank II costs 30, III 40, etc) each additional starting rank]
General Armor Proficiency [20 for Guardian, otherwise 30]
Shields I [10 if Guardian, else 20. Costs an extra 10 points (Rank II costs 30, III 40, etc) each additional starting rank]

Shaping:
Essence (unranked) [10, 15 for Agents]
Fire/Battle/Magic Shaping [20 for Rank I per category, Costs an extra 10 points (Rank II costs 30, III 40, etc) each additional starting rank. Add 5 points per rank if Agent.]
Healing Craft [20 for rank I, Costs an extra 10 points (Rank II costs 30, III 40, etc) each additional starting rank Add 5 points per rank if Agent.]
[Creation] Biology (unranked, +1 to successful shaping roll of said creation) [depends on what you ask for]
[Creation] (heavily depends on what you ask for and how many points you have left. Fyora III is much more likely to be given than Drayk I, for example. Asking for Create Ornk is just silly, though.

Spells (-5 points if Agent, +10 per additional rank):
Firebolt II [20]
Searer I [20]
Icy Spray I [25]
Essence Lances I [30]

Heal I [10]
Haste I [10]
Cure Effects [15]
Mass Restore [75] (unranked)
Mass Energize [60] (unranked)
Regeneration I (single target) [50]
Essence Armor [50] (unranked)
Essence Blade [50] (unranked)

Kill [95]
Aura of Flames [100]
Some spells left out because you don't need to know all of them right now

Spoiler: Shaping Guide (click to show/hide)

Shaping Guide:
[Creation] skill rank affects how many half-cost or free points you can give to a creation on creation. (Ex: Fyora VI would let you give it a half-cost point in three areas or one free point and one half-cost point. Stats still cannot pass their maximum, though.)

Strength: Affects Physical damage and other things requiring strongthings. Max 10, but don't expect a 100 Str fyora to be able to out-punch a Battle Alpha (a 100 Str Battle Alpha, on the otherhand, would be able to put a sizable dent in a mountain). 2 Es for the first two points, 4 Es per point after 2. Every 2 is +1 damage bonus to melee. (Essence cost for 10 points: 36)

Dexterity: Ranged equivalent of Str. Helps with aiming and range (and to an extent dodging), but it has to be within sight range. (either yours or the creations) Same Essence use per point and maximum as Strength. Every two is +1 to ranged attack, 5 points is +1 to evasion. 10 points adds 2 to evasion. (Essence cost for 10 points: 36, Bonus Total: +5 to ranged damage, +3 to evasion.)

Intelligence: affects resistence to effects. Is also whether you can control your creation or not (requires 2 Essence). 4 Es per point past the second point, Max 10. (More than 4 int will require Leadership to keep full control over.) (Essence cost for 10 points: 38)

Endurance: is Endurance. 4 Essence per point, 20 max. every points adds 2 health. Point 20 adds 4 instead of 2. (Essence cost for 10 points: 40, Max health bonus of 42)

Spoiler: Creations (click to show/hide)

Format:
Base essence cost - Creation Name (Base level)

Fire
8 - Fyora
25 - Cryoa
28 - Roamer
15 - Pyroroamer
Tier II
60 - Drayk
90 - Cryodrayk
125 - Kyshakk
160 - Burning Kyshakk
Tier III
150 - Drakon
220 - Ur-Drakon

Battle
8 - Thahd
15 - Corrupted Thahd
20 - Clawbug
30 - Plated Clawbug
Tier II
40 - Battle Alpha
60 - Battle Beta
110 - Rotghroth
160 - Rotdhizon
Tier III
125 - War Trall
180 - Shock Trall

Magic
12 - Artila
40 - Plated Artila
25 - Vlish
75 - Charged Vlish
Tier II
60 - Glaahk
80 - Ur-Glaahk
140 - Wingbolt
160 - Unstable Firebolt
Tier III
180 - Gazer
240 - Eyebeast

[breadbocks]

Looks fine, although you should probably fine tune the costs a bit. In some cases, the class bonuses just aren't as much as they should.

[adwarf]

Well the Civilization Game I was working onis up now in Forum Games, but it changed quite a bit from its original concept.

Link: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88522.0

[IronyOwl]

So, quick question:

Would there be any interest in a game where players are let loose in a vast but inescapable wilderness, then ruthlessly hunted down by extremely powerful enemies that they have no real chance of defeating in a fair fight? Or would that be too frustrating? What about the reverse, where the players are essentially demented big game hunters?

[V-Norrec]

So, quick question:

Would there be any interest in a game where players are let loose in a vast but inescapable wilderness, then ruthlessly hunted down by extremely powerful enemies that they have no real chance of defeating in a fair fight? Or would that be too frustrating? What about the reverse, where the players are essentially demented big game hunters?

That basically describes the dual phases in roll to hunt that I'm waiting for choobakka to post in sometime this century.  I need to update roll to doom as well >.>. All I can think about is zealots and demons though.

[Tarran]

That basically describes the dual phases in roll to hunt that I'm waiting for choobakka to post in sometime this century.

He hasn't posted at all since the 5th. I'd say it's safe to auto him or just outright drop him if you want.

[IronyOwl]

That basically describes the dual phases in roll to hunt that I'm waiting for choobakka to post in sometime this century.  I need to update roll to doom as well >.>. All I can think about is zealots and demons though.

Vaguely, but I was thinking a lot more brutal and difficult. Even for being the hunter, just about everything would be a potentially dangerous boss or sub-boss.

[adwarf]

That basically describes the dual phases in roll to hunt that I'm waiting for choobakka to post in sometime this century.  I need to update roll to doom as well >.>. All I can think about is zealots and demons though.

Vaguely, but I was thinking a lot more brutal and difficult. Even for being the hunter, just about everything would be a potentially dangerous boss or sub-boss.

Well it would be intresting if it was a game of survival where the players were thrown onto an island given a few turns to run, hide, and prepare then monsters would be let loose, and the last one standing wins, but the thing is the monsters would have to be massively stronger than the players, and the only way the players could win would be by escaping, trickery, stealth, and cunning instead of brute force.

[IronyOwl]

Well it would be intresting if it was a game of survival where the players were thrown onto an island given a few turns to run, hide, and prepare then monsters would be let loose, and the last one standing wins,

Not exactly, for a couple reasons. For one thing, it'd be far more continuous than that- large swaths of the game would be running, hiding, preparing, getting discovered, being attacked by something that's far more ready for you than you thought, and then running again, possibly having lost a member or two. It wouldn't just be like tag where you find a tree or whatever and then that's your hiding spot for the game.

Secondly, it wouldn't be directly competitive. You could certainly kill other players and take their stuff, and there might even be further benefits to doing so, but the ultimate goal would be not dying for not dying's sake, and maybe escaping if you got really good. Newer players would get added in to replace the slain.

but the thing is the monsters would have to be massively stronger than the players, and the only way the players could win would be by escaping, trickery, stealth, and cunning instead of brute force.

Yeah. The enemies would be alarmingly intelligent and canny, also- simple stuff like "dig a pit" or "distract it with a thrown rock" wouldn't get you very far. Trouble is, I'm not sure if that'd be fun and suspenseful or just frustrating and pointless.

Surely some other people have opinions? "Sounds terrible" is still useful feedback, you know.

[Darvi]

Amnesia: the dark dice? (Fun with Acronyms. Heh)

[V-Norrec]

I'd join it, I like the sound of it personally.  As far as advice goes, always have a visible goal.  If there is no visible goal the game often descends as I'm trying to get Z&D back on track after a little too long without clear goals.