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[Tilla]

The sad thing is that I can't bring myself to believe them again

I don't think they'd give a date again unless they were absolutely sure. The holdup has been the move to the new distribution, as hosting it themselves wasn't working out well (see the piracy incident where files were being leeched directly from their servers by a hacked loader)

I paid for it and with it coming to Steam, will I need to pay for it again? Or do I get a key for it?

They're setting up a system to transfer over existing accounts for that.

[nenjin]

I haven't lost faith in them. I'm sure I'll get my code to download my copy off of Steam.

But one thing a friend said when I showed him Zomboid has repeatedly stuck with me in the weeks since they basically came to a stand still.

And that is that those guys have, like, zero ability to manage PR. From their blog posts to some of their forum threads.....I dunno, they always seem flummoxed, reactionary, enjoying talking in large caps. The game is great and it's got its own thing going on...but compared to all the other devs with quasi-paid-for-projects, Indiestone seems to struggle both with getting things done and with communicating effectively.

Which is at odds with the quality of their game, to be honest. It's a really sharp and thoughtful game on several levels. Why that doesn't translate into them having a more eloquent PR person confuses me.

[dennislp3]

I don't see what the issue is...I mean how long has DF been since its last update? people don't cry and whine like they do on the damn zomboid forums OMFG!

they had steady regular releases, pirating issues and what not threw in a kink and they had to alter a lot of stuff to get around that...but now they are back on there flow and getting things done...its an alpha and it happens.

opening a million bitch threads though was the most horrid thing ever....people have no life/patience/understanding -.-

as for the PR...its what I guess you can expect from developers...indie ones no less lol

[nenjin]

Plenty of other indie devs seem to do a better job in presenting themselves.

[lordcooper]

@ dennislp3:  I don't think it's fair to compare it with DF.  The majority of DF players have probably paid nothing for it and even those of us who have donated or even donate regularly have done so with no string attached.  If Toady decides to become a professional lion tamer for the next six years, then that's fine (despite how much it would suck) because there is no obligation for him to continue releasing updates.  People have paid for Zomboid though and as much as my heart bleeds for the devs (seriously, they have the worst luck imaginable) I can also understand why people are pissed off that the update is taking so long, especially when the devs keep posting to say it's 'almost done.'  We were told months ago that it would be released 'tomorrow, if not today' and have been treated only to a litany of excuses since.

I can't hold it against them personally because they do genuinely seem as though they're trying their best to get things sorted, but you'll have to forgive me if I don't get excited about being told it'll be out soon (again!)  If it is, then it'll be a great surprise though.  Hopefully I'll get to eat my words.

[Grakelin]

I didn't pre-purchase Zomboid, but I can hold it against them.

I play a swindler in a Vampire: the Requiem LARP who had been doing this trick for ages before I heard about Zomboid.

[nenjin]

Your troll is strong today Grak.

[dennislp3]

The funny thing about purchasing zomboid...is you can get a refund...

After so many people bitched because they had to wait a month or whatever they opened up the option for a refund...

And I guess the confusing part about it all is...what gives players the right to demand when the devs release their alpha state game updates? it seems rather absurd..

especially when they explained over and over that it was delayed because they had to ad in code to make it compatible with Desura and also wait on Desura and all that jazz...

so I guess they shouldn't take the extra time to try and protect themselves from pirating that was ruining them? (the system they had set up cost them for every download and the pirate version was redownloading the game/updates/checking for updates every time it started!)

on top of that...while they were waiting they continually worked on the game and added lots of features that were not going to be in the .15 release...

So I guess my confusion is that they WERE working on it the whole time, they offered refunds, and they were taking extra time to protect themselves from pirating that was ACTUALLY costing them as opposed to not costing them (which they didn't mind).

So why the hell do people need to constantly complain on there forums about waiting...especially when the .14 release was less than 2 months ago?

Finally there is a VERY clear disclaimer when you purchase the game that you are actually PRE-ORDERING the end product and they are not legally liable to deliver updates until then.

Also my post sounds flamy/mad/upset etc...I am not...it just creates a really annoying atmosphere on the forums over there when every other post on every other topic is someone whining about the release not happening yet. And THAT is what truly irritates me...I don't care how long it takes because I am used to the DF development cycles that can take upwards of 3+ months at times (like now)

[ScriptWolf]

I don't see the point in complaining anyway I mean I spend £10 the day I heard about it and I know I would not see results for a long time but it's a investment, your paying cheep for a game that Could turn out great. And your helping the dev's out, I would rather pay and do my bit to help them make more progress on then game than do nothing and just have it sit there are die cause Zomboid is the game I have been searching for forever.

[dennislp3]

haha true that...I bought it the same day I found it...it too is the zombie game I have always wanted (potentially)

[Fikes]

Meh. Haters gonna hate.

Gamers have always gotten annoyed with delays. To make the problem worse, with indie games you are paying for it up front and then waiting for the developer to sort out everything when they realize they are in over their heads. It also seems like early development happens much faster than late development, which leads to a big lull just before release.

Anyways, all these things lead to whiney consumers.  I say /yawn.

I didn't pre-order Zombiod because it didn't seem like a game yet and the ordering system was all funky anyways. I figured it would be best to just wait until it was on Steam. Please stop posting here unless it is to say "It is out!". You got me all excited...

[Saint]

I didn't buy it but instead played on a friend's account because I didn't feel it was a secure investment at the time. Now with it being on steam I might.

[mendonca]

Sorry Fikes, it aint out yet.

Saint, you have a few weeks at least before it will be 'on steam' and then it will just be a redeemable steam code, not a direct purchase from steam.

[Tilla]

It will be buyable on Desura though,which has proper payment processing, paypal, etc. The Desura key I'm sure they wouldn't mind transferring over to Steam for you as well - they're very approachable on the dev team.

[dennislp3]

from the sounds of it they are gonna make every option available to everyone even if you purchase the Desura option now or whatever