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[ECrownofFire]

Actually, this is ironic: I'm arguing against differences, and differences are causing this arguement. 

Differences never caused the argument, your refusal to accept them did.

[Vector]

Hey, I'm not saying it wwould ever be like that, but it's my idea of paradise. Don't bash it.

The problem here is that you'd like to enforce it.  My paradise is full of gothic architecture, beautiful landscapes, and a large number of repressed priests and/or mathematicians.  Oh, and lots and lots of hot chicks in armor and old-fashioned dresses and whatever else they want to wear, who also do mathematics and priesty-things, and everyone can feed me grapes and coffee as I loll around discussing theorems.  And books grow on trees, and no one ever dies, and I don't ever have to cook because that's just bad for everyone.  And everyone's great at singing, and we all argue a lot but mostly we sit around and goof off in a sort of mathematician-priest-valkyrie sort of way.

Well, and there'd be lots of normal people, too, and no one would have to do anything they didn't want to.  I mostly mean that the valkyries would wear armor because they liked that sort of thing.

Do I feel at all bad that this is not happening?  Not really, no.  Would I enforce this?  Not for the world.  I don't believe it would create happiness for other people.  Not everyone likes priests and mathematicians.

I recognize and accept that my viewpoint is no more valid than anyone else's, and that's how I manage to get along with people.  Without killing them, without intentionally hurting them, and without being hurt by them.

I just hate conflict. I want everyone to be the same, then everyone will know what everyone else is thinking. And we won't hurt eachother. Diversity has caused some of the most horrific acts in history.

No, diversity didn't cause those acts.  Intolerance did.  The intolerance that you're perpetuating, right here, right now, out of fear of diversity.

Don't blame the victim.

You thrive on differences. I flounder on them.

Your personal problems don't give you the right to destroy other people's modes of being.

I don't thrive on differences, either.  I learn to deal with and accept them, not laud them or attack them.  There's no reason to say that they're necessarily good or bad, and not both.

[Erkki]

I just hate conflict. I want everyone to be the same, then everyone will know what everyone else is thinking. And we won't hurt eachother. Diversity has caused some of the most horrific acts in history.

Fear of diversity has.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Diversity is fun, and some people don't want to have fun. Then they sometimes try to extend that to force nobody to have fun, and that's when the conflict comes in.

[Soadreqm]

So, what is a woman?  What is a man?

A miserable little pile of secrets!

I just hate conflict. I want everyone to be the same, then everyone will know what everyone else is thinking. And we won't hurt eachother. Diversity has caused some of the most horrific acts in history.

If conformity is the ideal we should all strive for, why are you disagreeing with the majority vote of this thread saying you're wrong? Shouldn't you, by your own philosophy, alter your philosophy to fit what others think?

[Earthquake Damage]

His problem is the same one everyone his age (and older, and younger...) struggles with:  Identity.  He hasn't found himself (as horribly trite and Very Special Episode as that sounds), so he clings to those images he believes others expect him to be.  Among them:  manliness, whatever that means.

But don't mind me.  I'm just talking out my ass on the internet.

[Vector]

By the way, guys, that's totally not my utopia.  I just couldn't think of anything more Vector-y on short notice.

[GamerKnight]

Utopia is happiness. Difference breeds fear. Fear breeds unhappiness. Uhappiness breeds anger. Anger breeds intolerance. Intolerance breeds atrocities. Atrocities breed unhappiness.

[Vector]

Utopia is happiness. Difference breeds fear. Fear breeds unhappiness. Uhappiness breeds anger. Anger breeds intolerance. Intolerance breeds atrocities. Atrocities breed unhappiness.

All right, let me break it down for you.

We have difference.  This is not a choice.

Fear, unhappiness, anger, intolerance, and atrocities are personal choices.

You are currently making the wrong personal choice by your own argument.  Does it make more sense to impugn diversity than it does those negative emotions?  Really?  Diversity has also brought us geniuses, art, architecture, science, religion, all manner of wonderful and interesting things.

You are not going to live in that world.  Period.  It does not exist, or at the very least, it won't exist in your lifetime.  The real question is what you'll do with your time in this one.

[GamerKnight]

Bemoan the fact that I will never see a world without murder, hate and war.

[Vector]

Bemoan the fact that I will never see a world without murder, hate and war.

All right, well, I need to go to bed, so I'm going to leave you and your obdurate short-sightedness to the capable hands of someone else.  I'll be back to check in the morning.

[ECrownofFire]

Bemoan the fact that I will never see a world without murder, hate and war.

That's because it's people like you that perpetuate it.

With no diversity, there'd be no murder hate or war, but there'd also be no happiness, joy, or anything positive. A world completely devoid of any feeling at all.

[GamerKnight]

Why does that need to be so?

[Vector]

Why does that need to be so?

Why does your proposed vision need to be so?

Because it's convenient?  Because it makes you feel safer?


Right, need to actually go to bed.  It's more fun to argue, but there's math to do in the morning.

[GamerKnight]

Because it would make the world safer.