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[Ovg]

Since now we're suffering from "no nobles bug", and clothes owning bug, and no trader carts, which version had them working properly and is generally considered best for normal fortress game play? 31.12? 40d?

[freeformschooler]

40d  honestly I don't know. There's bugs in most versions but 40d was pretty stable. Although it lacks in the awesome things from the newer releases   

[Ovg]

So, apparently I'll have to go for a trade-off  . Ah well, I'll be missing "magma anywhere" feature 

[Cruxador]

40d was the most stable. But if you play it, you're missing out on roughly two years of new features.
Due to the interspersion of bugfixes amongst caravan arc releases, we will likely be at 40d-level stability again soon. And the current version is entirely playable.

[NW_Kohaku]

40d had bugs, too, though.  Dwarves generally dropped owned items and clothes and never picked them up again, for example. 

0.31.22 should be the most bugless of all the 0.31s, I'm not sure where you came up with 31.12, specifically.  Another month or so of bugfixes, and .31 should have a lot more of its bugs ironed out. 

That said, I still have a 40d fortress that I like to go back to, occasionally. I'm generally more excited by the .31 stuff, but really, I think the best version is the one you've built a fortress you've grown attached to in. 

[monk12]

.31.23 just surpassed .22 as the most bug-free of the 2010 releases. At this point, I feel the levels of bugs for 40d and .23 are fairly similar- they exist, but they are hardly gamebreaking, and just about all the major features work as they should. .23 features are a bit quirkier and less stable, but there are more of them than 40d.

That said, I haven't gone back to 40d since the new versions- I'm a sucker for new shinies.

[Makbeth]

So, apparently I'll have to go for a trade-off  . Ah well, I'll be missing "magma anywhere" feature 

You'll miss more than that.  I went back to 40d just a couple weeks ago, which lasted for all of two hours.  40d dwarves drop whatever they're doing as soon as they get hungry, thirsty, or tired.  If they're carrying, for example, a bucket that was to bring water to a wounded dwarf, that bucket gets dropped and is never recognized as a usable bucket ever again.  I had one fort where I had a dwarf wounded from a cave in, and he died because no one gave him water.  Oh, several dwarves started giving him water all right, but they'd find other, more urgent things to do like go get boozed up.  This happened enough times to use up all my buckets.  Had to make more.  When I got more buckets, they did the same thing, and then Urist McMiningAccident died.

[monk12]

Ah, I remember that. I also remember early in the 2010 cycle where Toady rubberbanded it too far the other way, and they'd all work themselves to death. We're at a good balance right now.

Honestly, lots of people will talk about how bug free 40d was, but mostly we don't remember them clearly, and were already used to them.

[freeformschooler]

Plus the newest versions are much, MUCH faster than 40d.

[Makbeth]

That's not to say I don't miss certain things about 40d.  Most of all I miss the ability to see HFS, magma pipes, and the like from the embark screen.  I also miss the irregular shape of the magma pipe walls, the speed (and ease) with which the military trained, the true channeling, etc.  As wonderful as those are, though, they don't equal the improvements in 31.x.

I never played the version before 40d, but I think it would also be oh so fun to have lethal steam again, just for the wonderful possibilities of the traps it could make.  I actually made a goblin steamer in one of my first 40d fortresses before finding out that it wouldn't work.  It was a bit of a let-down.  Another pre-40d feature I would have liked to see would be magma rivers.

[RedWick]

The 2D version was pretty stable and pretty bugless.

Heheh...

[Deon]

It was also quite unique, I play it from time to time (I've made a tileset for that just for this purpose). It's much less complex, but it plays as a different game... And it has quite a few features which didn't make it back yet (economy, guilds, ruins with undead, proper Mountain Halls in adv. mode etc.) so I like to come back to it from time to time.

[Zaerosz]

And now .24 is out, which is the NEW most bugless version.

[monk12]

.25 looks to be right around the corner as well. Barring even more crash bugs, that will probably be the last for a while.

[Jar of Jam]

.25 looks to be right around the corner as well. Barring even more crash bugs, that will probably be the last for a while.

Is there much left to fix, though ? I only heard about 1 crash that was recently marked as fixed on Mantis but not yet included in any releases.