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[Kogut]

I can think only about clothes related bugs.

EDIT:

• Clothing
• Dungeon Master & other "Baron" level nobles not appearing
• Some map generation things (high z-variance on a map causing the magma sea to drain into HFS, perfectly straight volcanoes, that sort of thing)
• Kobolds all dying of hunger 4 or 5 years into World Gen
• Bone decorations using up entire stacks
• All water in an embark being salty despite being several region tiles away from sea (affecting even water sources in mountains)
  

[Urist Imiknorris]

-Clothing
-Some map generation things (high z-variance on a map causing the magma sea to drain into HFS, perfectly straight volcanoes, that sort of thing)
-Other stuff that I can't think of.

[Vercingetorix]

Equipping-related bugs (both civilian/military) and any new issues that pop up in this release, along with cleanup of some trivial items; nothing too heavy because I'd like to see further progress on the Caravan Arc, although at the same time it has been well worth the wait given the quality and quantity of the fixes. Of course, I'd also like to see some improvements on the performance side but I have no problem with incremental improvements in that area over the course of new releases.

Either way, looks like .22/.23 will be the most stable release we've had so far.

[Uristocrat]

Wow, it's hard to remember what bugs still exist after these updates....  I guess there are some new bugs (mostly grass eating one's ramps/stairs) that are new, but Toady already said those were going to be zapped soon.

I guess the biggest bug for me is the fact that we still don't have a Dungeon Master   I don't care so much about the other immigrant nobles, but he was cool.  That's probably the single most important bug left.

Oh, and I guess I would like it if Toady used all those material values I dug up, but that's a feature more than a bug... I think.  Though I guess it's a trivial bug that Tanzanite appears in the wrong layers (should be in any metamorphic rock, should NOT be in gabbro) and how a few density values in the raws exist but are rather far off.  But I already made a mod for that, so it's not really a big deal.  Anyone who wants the added realism can use it and some of the bigger mods have already incorporated it, which makes me happy

[Malibu Stacey]

How about:
Rotted clothing killing FPS because changing clothes is broken but dwarves still think about it constantly

Map generation breaking to the extent where you embark on Slade with Hell immediately open

Kobolds all dying of hunger 4 or 5 years into World Gen

Dungeon Master & other "Baron" level nobles not appearing

All water in an embark being salty despite being several region tiles away from sea (affecting even water sources in mountains)

Loyalty cascades amongst invaders when they enter your map making ambushes/sieges a pushover

Then there's more trivial things like Caravans still don't have Wagons, Skeletons of Invaders can't be turned into usable bones & just clutter your fortress, multiple issues with buckets, dwarves not taking pathfinding into account when looking for job materials, whips & scourges being superlasers that ignore armour & hit the brain directly. Take a look at Mantis, there's only around 1800+ reported issues.

Either way, looks like .22/.23 will be the most stable release we've had so far.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaahahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa. Well played sir!

[ahonek]

Was that capitalized laughter really necessary? In terms of longstanding bugs fixed, these releases are a significant step forward.

On topic though, how about crystal glass? Is that still bugged?

[thvaz]

Was that capitalized laughter really necessary? In terms of longstanding bugs fixed, these releases are a significant step forward.

On topic though, how about crystal glass? Is that still bugged?

Troll laughter.

[Vercingetorix]

Either way, looks like .22/.23 will be the most stable release we've had so far.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaahahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa. Well played sir!

Hey, we have to be realistic...there's still a ton of stuff out there that needs fixing.  At least it's not 0.31.01.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Yeah, that pathing stuff was terrible.

[Uristocrat]

Rotted clothing killing FPS because changing clothes is broken but dwarves still think about it constantly

Not that big a deal, but yeah, I would like my civilians to use clothing again.

Map generation breaking to the extent where you embark on Slade with Hell immediately open

That's very rare.  Could be considered a feature, even

Kobolds all dying of hunger 4 or 5 years into World Gen

Add no_eat and no_drink to them; would like to see fixes though.

Dungeon Master & other "Baron" level nobles not appearing

The DM is badly missed.

All water in an embark being salty despite being several region tiles away from sea (affecting even water sources in mountains)

Screw pumps should be able to desalinate it.  It's also, arguably, realistic.

Loyalty cascades amongst invaders when they enter your map making ambushes/sieges a pushover

Needs fixing, yes.

* Then there's more trivial things like Caravans still don't have Wagons, Skeletons of Invaders can't be turned into usable bones & just clutter your fortress, multiple issues with buckets, dwarves not taking pathfinding into account when looking for job materials, whips & scourges being superlasers that ignore armour & hit the brain directly. Take a look at Mantis, there's only around 1800+ reported issues.

I do miss wagons, but oh well.  Skeletons you can change with modding.  You also missed the problems with rotting (hopefully it'll get fixed when zombies are).  The bucket issue should get fixed shortly.  You don't WANT them pathing to items or things will be sloooooooow, but yeah, they should definitely weight the z-distance more than x & y in their calculations (i.e. assume that changing floors means it's far away).  And whips are great, but not that great.

I've seen Mantis, but all software accumulates piles of bugs like that.  And lots of things are dupes, not reproduceable, etc.

Anyhow, I hope to see more bugfixes, especially some of the listed issues, but the problems the player has to worry about have gotten a lot smaller.

[Orkel]

There's also the bug with food stockpiles not being used properly.. annoying as hell.

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4054

http://horobox.co.uk/u/Orkel_1301107151.png

[Malibu Stacey]

Rotted clothing killing FPS because changing clothes is broken but dwarves still think about it constantly

Not that big a deal, but yeah, I would like my civilians to use clothing again.

LOL OK. FPS death isn't "that big a deal". I expect there's vast swathes of DF players who will completely agree with you.

Map generation breaking to the extent where you embark on Slade with Hell immediately open

That's very rare.  Could be considered a feature, even

Rare enough that I can reproduce it at will on between 1/3-1/2 of the region tiles making large chunks of the world useless for exploring the underground.

Kobolds all dying of hunger 4 or 5 years into World Gen

Add no_eat and no_drink to them; would like to see fixes though.

What, like I said on that very issue? Thanks for letting me know my own advice. I would never have considered it otherwise 

All water in an embark being salty despite being several region tiles away from sea (affecting even water sources in mountains)

Screw pumps should be able to desalinate it.  It's also, arguably, realistic.

Saltwater coming from mountain streams/brooks/rivers is "arguably, realistic"? Are you from the same planet as the rest of us?

And whips are great, but not that great.

Again I'm sure there are vast swathes of DF players who will agree with you when a single Goblin Lasher wipes out most of their military who are clad in full steel armour.

I've seen Mantis, but all software accumulates piles of bugs like that.  And lots of things are dupes, not reproduceable, etc.

Actually if you bothered looking you'd see that the admins like Footkerchief & Logical2U do quite well to keep on top of all the duplicates & non-reproducible reports but hey why bother using facts when you can just make shit up instead?

[Toady One]

Please calm down in here.

[Footkerchief]

Rotted clothing killing FPS because changing clothes is broken but dwarves still think about it constantly

Rotted clothing killing FPS because changing clothes is broken but dwarves still think about it constantly

If you want this bug fixed, upload saves to DFFD.  Nobody has posted anything demonstrating a causative link between rotting clothes and lag, much less a save that'll allow Toady to fix the problem.

I've seen Mantis, but all software accumulates piles of bugs like that.  And lots of things are dupes, not reproduceable, etc.

Actually if you bothered looking you'd see that the admins like Footkerchief & Logical2U do quite well to keep on top of all the duplicates & non-reproducible reports but hey why bother using facts when you can just make shit up instead?

I feel safe saying that 400+ of those 1800 reports will eventually be resolved as "duplicate," "no change required" or "unable to reproduce".  Many of them are obsolete, uncorroborated, got fixed silently sometime in the last year, or got left open despite being probable duplicates because of unclear root causes etc.  We're mostly on top of incoming reports, but the old stuff needs a lot of cleanup.

[Narmio]

Rotted clothing killing FPS because changing clothes is broken but dwarves still think about it constantly

Not that big a deal, but yeah, I would like my civilians to use clothing again.

LOL OK. FPS death isn't "that big a deal". I expect there's vast swathes of DF players who will completely agree with you.

Has anyone proven that this is lag caused by item ownership specifically and not by overall item count?  The latter is a big deal, and something I hope Toady addresses with a redesign some time soon (I think someone did some memory usage investigations that showed complete caching and uncaching of the entire object list very rapidly), but I do not think anyone has specifically identified owned but un-worn items as a cause of lag.

It shouldn't be that hard to test.  Get a fort with loads of clothes, note the overall item count, make two copies.  In one, mess with boiling points so that all cloth items instantly evaporate. Then check the item count again and use a custom reaction to spawn that many non-cloth items that are not owned by dwarfs - just spawn a few thousand rocks or something.  Then compare the FPS of both.

Assuming owned clothing was a significant fraction of overall items, this test will conclusively demonstrate that the bug you so vociferously claim is game-breaking is indeed so. And please don't take this as a hostile response - if you can demonstrate this bug is real I'll be the loudest voice claiming for a quick fix.  Just don't jump up and down shouting before you've proven it.