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[Knight of Fools]

As long as we stay on topic and stay civil and polite, we should be okay.

(Hint, hint.)


This thread has been pretty interesting to me, so far.  Mostly it's odd, because most of the anti-science (Which there has been very little of) and anti-religious sentiments tend to be slapping the trends of minority groups and/or the worse possible examples of individuals in a group and painting it across everyone else in that group.

Part of that comes from the sheer number of factions, groups, and sub-groups within the religious and even scientific community, and the extreme views that a few individuals hold within those communities, so I understand why that's an issue, but I don't think it should be such a big one.  It's like blaming an entire town for being bad just because there's a small group of drunks in it - It doesn't sit too well for the rest of the town.  If we're going to discuss religion civilly, we should do what Nikov's suggested while I was typing this: Resort to fewer generalizations.  Having an educated opinion helps.  If people avoided adding underhanded insults and insinuations in their comments, it'd help even more, but that's not a huge problem here.

So mostly I've learned the why of things, and learned a fair number of different ways atheists, agnostics, and other religions view things.  Most people seem to agree that Science and Religion aren't polar opposites.  So, yeah, I've grown from this, though I don't agree with everything that's said, I'm that much more informed.

[Nikov]

Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is or can be done.

Well, I think that about refutes the notion religion and science are incompatible.

[Criptfeind]

I don't know. If he was so smart, why is he dead?

[Urist is dead tome]

please explain

The only one who has come close to trolling here was your I win comment. That is almost straight up trolling.

Derailing is not trolling in almost all cases. And, might I add, that not only were those comments not derailing (they were very important to the subject)  but they were made in the greatest hope of saving everyone.

Do you know why there are no other religious discussion threads being talked in now?

Cause every last one has ended in Toady swooping in, muting people, and locking the thread.

I wouldn't say he was trolling, more likely just posted without thinking people would start with the accusations.

And the last religion thread was, in fact, locked by the OP when conversation died down.

[Criptfeind]

Facts are for losers.

And people were banned because of it.

[Urist is dead tome]

Facts are for losers.

And people were banned because of it.

Shrugging Khan. I wonder what happened to that guy.  I kinda miss him.

[chaoticag]

Any discussion of who is trolling ends here. It's topic derailment, and frankly, I find it to start arguments and accusations.

[Sowelu]

Does anyone else have quotations from historical figures (not Bill Maher) they'd like to share?

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind. "  -Albert Einstein

But also, "What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."  -Albert Einstein

[Zrk2]

There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil. -Ayn Rand
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. -Ayn Rand
So you think that money is the root of all evil? Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil? -Ayn Rand

[fqllve]

Quotations from historical figures relevant to the topic at hand, Zrk.

[Zrk2]

I thought they were somewhat relevant to the issue, or at least could provoke some discussion.

[Criptfeind]

Well. Since the smart thing to do is a 180 from Rand, you might say the first one has some barring.

[fqllve]

Well. Since the smart thing to do is a 180 from Rand, you might say the first one has some barring.

Heh.

Yeah, but the last one, which seems like the most likely to provoke discussion, well, I can't see how that relates at all.

Here's a more relevant one.

I make this chief distinction between religion and superstition, that the latter is founded on ignorance, the former on knowledge.

[Earthquake Damage]

Ayn Rand

ಠ_ಠ

Words fail me.

[Rilder]

Facts are for losers.

And people were banned because of it.

Shrugging Khan. I wonder what happened to that guy.  I kinda miss him.

He was defeated by Frowning Kirk?