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[Vattic]

Neat, some of the new features are ones I used to have to install add-ons for.

One small problem: If I close a menu which is overlapping the task bar the overlapping part persists visually until I click away from firefox. I have googled the problem but I'm unsure what search terms to use. Has anyone else had this problem?

[Haspen]

Hey, guys having problem with Switch to Tab, guess what:

1: Download https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/switch-to-tab-blacklist/
2: Go to about:config (type it into your URL bar).
3: Avoid getting crazy playing around with Firefox's settings and search "extension.switchToTabBlacklist.blacklist".
4: Add the value [".*"] (brackets included).
5: NO MORE EVIL IN THIS WORLD.

Oh gods, I'm crying rainbows of happiness now.

Thanks

[Levi]

http://www.conceivablytech.com/7594/products/mozilla-labs-the-url-bar-has-to-go

I internally nerd-raged some more when I read this.

What is next, are they going to take my mouse cursor away?  Maybe they should get rid of images and text as well, as those also take up precious screenspace that could be allocated to something else.

I don't actually think they would go quite as far as to remove the url-bar, but it still makes me think I should go back to opera or something just in case. 

[Tarran]

If it does happen... I'm going to hold of upgrading until they get their mind straight. Or even change to a different browser entirely. Hopefully they aren't that stupid.

Edit: I have a feeling that they could be. http://www.conceivablytech.com/7622/products/firefox-version-number-degraded-to-implementation-detail 

“users shouldn’t care about the version, only that they are running Firefox.” He continued: “If they aren’t on the latest they will soon be (and may already be without knowing once we get silent updates done). The version is an implementation detail to end users.”

[Aklyon]

Like it said on the first sentence, Google did it first. Its still a stupid idea, though, the URL bar is important. Its like the back button and Refresh.

[Tyg13]

I've been reading through this thread and watching you guys figure everything out is slightly humorous and slightly interesting. I've been using the Firefox beta for a while (at least a couple of months) and I've adjusted to it fine. One thing that I've found helpful on the whole memory leak issue is that Mozilla offers a 64 bit version that you kind of have to hunt for to find. That's not to lessen the actual problem itself (my Firefox right now is using 600M which is positively absurd for a browser) but it has alleviated a large amount of my performance issues until Mozilla works out all the kinks. Actually, right now I'm running on Nightly 7, but it's basically Firefox 4 for all practical intents and purposes.

[NewsMuffin]

I'm still running 3.6 or whatever of FireFox. The main reason I use FireFox is that IE is retarded, and Chrome is too simple, and I can't work with it. Now they go off and make FireFox a better Chrome clone, and fuck that shit. If I wanted to use Chrome, I'd use Chrome.

Now I hear that the URL bar is going, and I have lost faith in Mozilla. They said that one of the reasons they're removing it is because it's hard to tell the difference of where you are, and where you're going.

Yeah, because people have the memory of a gnat.

And plus, they way they do it in 3.6 is fine. You mouse over a link, and it shows it's destination at the bottom, not replace the URL at the top.

I mean, I'm all for innovation, but this isn't the way you do it.

[Aklyon]

Just to head off any giant arguments, I'm reposting the last paragraph:

It is important to note that Regev’s opinion does not necessarily reflect Mozilla’s opinion. However, his post was published on Mozilla Labs’ site with the purpose of “inspiring future design directions of Firefox” and there is at least the hint that Mozilla is gauging the interest in this topic. Regev suggests to replace the URL bar with a browse command. Such a command field could also serve as a way to provide an interface for additional support for more commands and common activities on the Internet.

[NewsMuffin]

I understand, but still, for some one to have published it, I'd think that a rather large portion of the company agrees with it.

[GlyphGryph]

Well, I'm enjoying Firefox 4 so far, I've adapted fine, but there were somethings I just couldn't live with and I had to change.

I honestly feel like they are not targeting me anymore - Firefox will soon be a browser for "someone else", and I'll have to go elsewhere to get what I want. And I find many of their implementations to be terrible.

I thought the added customizability would make such things meaningless, but it really doesn't - hell, look at the status bar problem. The issue was never that they got rid of the status bar, for me anyways. Its that the replacement (the pop up thing) was TERRIBLE. It was constantly moving around, it was inconsistent, it offered less information than the thing it replaced, and it just didn't look very good. It also had a tendency to conceal the information I wanted to see (a flaw of popups in general, though not nearly as bad as firebugs quick info popup, though that at least manages to be more useful).

Luckily, the statusbar4ever plugin not only fixed the bar, but made it better. It actually made it feel like I was using a browser that was an improvement (however slight) over the previous one. I really just don't understand how any of the changes they've actually made are supposed to be improvements, even just the changes in defaults - it feels like they are just attempting to copy other browsers with no aim or direction or cohesive vision of their own. Why move the reload/back button a screen away from the other page control tools? Why put the tabs further away from the location where your mouse is most likely to be? I mean, ultimately its not meaningful where they are located, as long as people are used to them - but why change it? What's the rationale?

Also I didn't actually get to try out the new menu button thing because I can't figure out how to turn it on.

[Haspen]

I think I will stay with Firefox 4 for a while.

Not gonna make myself bother with fixing things to make the newer browsers work properly

[Muz]

I haven't noticed any difference. All I care about is that the browser I'm using is fast. Software minimalism ftw. I have noticed that it's breaking some sites for some people 

[Zangi]

Personally, I've been slowly switching to Chrome since I got my hands on the Firefox Beta...  Beta has been a resource hog and I just want something that gets the browsing done quick and fast without hassle.

Havn't seen as much of a problem in 4, but then I've been using it less intensely...

[qwertyuiopas]

So, I finally start using Firefox because so many sites started using complex CSS that IE6 can't handle (and I don't like the UI of IE7+ at all), and now they are planning that? Well, back to IE6 if that happens. A good, usable UI without excessive clutter is worth the cost of poorer security, buggy CSS support, missing features, and untransparent PNGs. (That, or the pipe dream of "write-my-own-browser"... Still better than a poor UI that thinks it's the greatest thing ever.)

[Virex]

Any reason for choosing IE6 over Chrome, Chromium or Opera? I can get into not liking the direction Firefox is going, but sticking with IE6 seems like a poor choice, considering it hasn't had a security update in like forever. I have to admit I'm guilty of the same to an extent in the sense that I use Opera over Chrome because I couldn't get into Chrome's UI (it's just too minimalistic for me), but I find it hard to believe that IE6's layout could be superior to for example Opera with all fancy bars turned off. Hell, you can even turn off the tabs if you don't want them.