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Author Topic: Fiefdoms @ War: Fluff Thread  (Read 76150 times)

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Re: Fiefdoms @ War: Fluff Thread
« Reply #2235 on: April 29, 2011, 12:19:11 am »

Oh. I get the joke now.

Hah hah.

...

... Disregard that last post.
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« Reply #2236 on: April 29, 2011, 06:26:10 am »

Piff. I don't even have spies yet. You get the second greatest power of spies for free. As soon as I can, I am going to flood the world with spies and send a message to the GM every six hours asking what you are up too.

I wonder how the Public is going to take to this news.

Once its posted on the internet Cript, its NEVER getting off. EVER.
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« Reply #2237 on: April 29, 2011, 09:13:02 am »

My spies arent free...
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« Reply #2238 on: April 29, 2011, 09:16:28 am »

He never said that, only that the you get one of their power for free.
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« Reply #2239 on: April 29, 2011, 10:45:02 am »

What power? Anyone can make scouts...
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Re: Fiefdoms @ War: Fluff Thread
« Reply #2240 on: April 29, 2011, 11:32:24 am »

You guys do realise I have stopped reading the fluff thread right?
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« Reply #2241 on: April 29, 2011, 12:04:08 pm »

You guys do realise I have stopped reading the fluff thread right?

Ah well. Thus the point of the fluff thread, so crap does not go to the main thread.

Also, Dwarmin, I enjoyed that much more then I had any right to do so.
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« Reply #2242 on: April 29, 2011, 12:50:21 pm »

Criptfield, I have only one overall thing to sya to that.

Why are you being such a pathetic jerkass?

Why must you even argue with my fluff, say that I must be a terribly ruler, and constantly denouce me even though it will not effect your victory at all?

1.  Fluff is fun, fluff is entertaining, fluff separates this from just being a dry strategy game.  But fluff is just decoration to cold, hard crunch.  Fluff can always be interpreted as being propaganda or wishful thinking, only the crunch is undeniable.  He argues with your fluff because it appears to contradict your crunch. 

My advice here is to base your fluff on the crunch, and always keep in mind that the crunch is what matters.

2.  Your crunch reveals you as a poor ruler for three good reasons, all related to your failure to protect your people.
 i. Your failure of diplomacy attracted the ire of other players from a very early stage whilst robbing you of sympathetic allies. 


  My advice here is to learn how to avoid boasting, how to hold your tongue when what you say might undermine your position, and what sort of things will undermine your position when you say them.

 ii. Your failure of observation meant that you were unable to consider the most likely, real threats (Taricus and Cript) and anticipate how quickly they would be able to assault your territories and with what force. 

  My advice here is to pay attention to the actions of others.  Turn results are, after all, publicly displayed.

 iii.  Your failure of preparation; even having been strongly hinted that an attack was likely to come and that you should shore up your defences, you neglected preparations in favour of other expenditures.  With even one more spearman in each of your territories you would have forced Cript to delay his attack for perhaps two more turns, buying you additional time to prepare and manoeuvre. 

  My advice here is that for the territory/territories remaining in your possession, you cease raging at your conqueror and accept your losses, then work on rebuilding them and defending that position.  Rebuild your palace and purchase some resource-independent industry techs (on credit) and Infrastructure II from anyone willing to sell them.  This will give you two infrastructure slots to exploit, and with the high basic income derived from your palace (a base of at least £500/turn) the multiplicative bonuses to income of two separate manufacturing industries should give you generous enough returns to invest in serious defensive structures (especially now that Keeps are public domain thanks to Pillow Killer) and even contemplate horizontal or vertical expansion in future

Worked example to the above:  If your palace is the only source of basic income, you have a basic income of £500/turn.  With a Glassmaker's Kiln and an Artist's Studio, you gain a bonus of 84% on top of that (also producing two trade goods for the global marketplace).  You will thus have a not unreasonable income of £920/turn, considering you will only have one territory sourcing your income.  Since both those buildings can be improved to a third tier, research would allow you to improve your holdings further.  The total cost of starting up in this way would be £2400; £1000 for the palace, £700 for the glassmaker's kiln and £700 for the artist's studio.  You would recoup your losses in 3 turns with a profit of £360.

Even if you have no money to start with, someone could loan you £2400 at 13.5% per turn and you'd be able to repay them within 4 turns.  To make it worth their while versus just spending the money building farms, though, they would want a return of 22% per turn, to be repaid over 7 turns and leaving you with a balance of £504 at the end.


3.  You are too easily riled up.  Cript is following Sun Tzu's excellent advice that if your enemy is of choleric temper, provoke him and bait him into making poor decisions.  By constantly denouncing and provoking you, you are kept off balance.

My strongest advice to you here is to learn a little humility, or at least the golden value of silence.  Constantly broadcasting your plans and intentions only gives your enemies more information with which to make plans against you.  If what you say will not advance your strategic aims, say nothing at all.


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Why are you constantly saying that I wasted my chance, and that my downfall was nothing but bad leadership, and had nothing to do with outside influence, mistaken info, and simple bad luck?

4.  Again, a lack of observation, preparation and restraint have been the core of your downfall.  Nevertheless it is not the case that it had nothing to do with outside influence.  The raiders on your caravans were not my direct idea; normally I grant a sort of quiet reprieve to a player's first caravans.  I had however previously confirmed to several players in earlier turns (via PM) that it was possible for them to incite raiders and bandits against other players.  I have now passed this responsibility over to CyberGenesis' raider faction, and will make it a feature of technology to raise NPC raiders.


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Why do you insist on aruging even when I am not seeking any kind of fight or conflict?

5.  Your belligerent general behaviour has set plenty of precedent.  But again, mostly it is because you are easily riled and keeping you that way gives Cript a strategic advantage.  See my above advice on learning humility and restraint.


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Why do you keep yelling that everything I say is a fallcy and bad?

In short, why are you being such a pathetic jerkass?

You are repeating yourself.  See above.



In other news, back to working on the turn post.  Should have it up tonight, unless I decide to do any major mechs changes or development.  We're likely to see the penalty Loyalty cost for invasions go in, but I'm probably going to make it income dependent for the territory (the higher the income, the more vested interests you're disturbing with the invasion, so the higher the rate of unrest).  This won't be a problem for diplomatic takeovers.

I may also adjust the loyalty math to allow negation to loyalty penalties* for having large numbers of troops (maybe 1 point per 3 or 4 troops in a region?) in the region that can subdue the more riotous members of the populace.

*Rather than loyalty bonuses - this just stops unrest happening.


Edit:  Oh.  Ohhhhh.  Phantom, I have made a terrible mistake.  East Cauldron should have had an income of £120/turn.  I'll debit a bonus of £300 to your treasury at the start of next turn to make up for it.  You may also wish to reconsider your trading of the region if that's a factor.

Edit 2:  I can't believe that took me three quarters of an hour to write, considering how much it may prove to be a waste.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2011, 12:53:15 pm by Iituem »
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« Reply #2243 on: April 29, 2011, 01:24:54 pm »

I approve absolutely of the capability to subdue my own populace with a large garrison. Bring it on Iituem. Bring it on.
And yeah, Income dependancy for unrest makes a large amount of sense. Kudos to you once more!
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« Reply #2244 on: April 29, 2011, 01:33:48 pm »

So, is this loyalty hit only going to effect taking other players, or is it going to effect taking out NPCs?
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« Reply #2245 on: April 29, 2011, 01:34:43 pm »

Maybe the suduing can be a factor of attack/defense skill rather than just numbers?

Quieting unrest should be easier than spamming militia, I think.
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« Reply #2246 on: April 29, 2011, 02:08:15 pm »

Will affect taking out NPCs as well.  Right now horizontal expansion is so good a strategy that it's considered foolish to even try vertical expansion.  That means it needs a check.

Edit:  Possibly.  I could do it as a function of unit overall strength, with something equivalent to roughly 3.5 spearmen (total strength of, say, 30) depleting a single point of loyalty penalty.

Edit 2:  I might give slavers or other units a 'police' special to double or triple their effectiveness at this sort of crowd control.
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« Reply #2247 on: April 29, 2011, 02:34:58 pm »

I was planning on a defencive, but I could not set in up in time. I was focused on taking Northern Beaton. Guess that was a mistake on my part.

I also admit that my ruler, under Iituem's kinder tone, was not as great as he might seem. Fluff wise, he has done some good things. Like funneling money to improve many peoples lives, and, though it has no effect gameplay wise, uniting and bringing together the largest portion of the Ariani lands in centuries. Enough so my people will regret lossing him. Even more, if Cript does go out of his way to massacare and enslave like he said he would. Destorying my peoples chance at united culture and religon will most likely piss them off as well.

I guess hes getting written off as above average leader, but also be denouced for not attending to his nations defence. I was too paranoid that someone would get in my claims.
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« Reply #2248 on: April 29, 2011, 02:36:12 pm »

Hah hah hah no.

He sucked.
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« Reply #2249 on: April 29, 2011, 02:46:19 pm »

Hah hah hah no.

He sucked.
indeed, i have facewalled beacause of him.
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