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[Criptfeind]

Only too true. Logic says that you can take the world with your zombies.

Quite frankly they horrify me.

[Terenos]

Well sure spoon, zombies are great for mass horde-type manuevers, but I was factoring in att/def values too. Its the efficiency of turning Cash into Attack Value.

Though I will admit..With a hero, and Zombie Mastery, I'm sure those zombies will win wars for you.

[Demonic Spoon]

Zombies, they win wars.

[Terenos]

Could well do. We'll have to see how well your zombie horde does in..2 turns? 3?

[Demonic Spoon]

5 and a half? In all seriousness 2, since I'll hopefully be getting my first zombies next turn and then start using them the turn after that.

[Terenos]

That was my thought, I went so far as 3 just in case you decided to double up on yer zombie horde to start.

[Sheb]

Just to make thing clear: The Empire doesn't look fondly on people threatening its members. If you only move ONE companies on the Island of Tempest, or do so much as scratching the paint of one of Taricus' galleons, we'll have to crush you.

[Iituem]

They're both very powerful units, with very significant disadvantages.  Zombies are awesome for the upkeep freedom and their ability to be spawned if you have a necromancer present - but you have to risk a very valuable and expensive unit to use them to their full potential.  Worse still, though nobody has really researched it yet, the Light Magic school gets awesome bonuses vs undead and demonic foes.

Phantom warriors and other illusory-type troops are similarly awesome for their cash/upkeep values.  But if they fight true-sighted or mindless troops (such as zombies), they're about as useful as zombies with none of their benefits.  The later-game unit 'Seers' (the code isn't in for that yet) provides the Truesight bonus to anyone on the battlefield, completely eradicating the bonus of illusory units for the entire battle.

Magic is pretty awesome, but is horribly caster-dependent.  You can severely interfere with an enemy's magical abilities by taking out his casters.  Tech has a slower progression by comparison, but is redundant; unless it's building specific, you can build tech units anywhere.

[Terenos]

I actually think we cant clearly define anyone's overarching goals (tech wise)yet. Though I may have to go on record as exploring no less than 2 Magic schools.
I loves me my illusory troops, but as you can see, I try to maintain some parity with 'actual' forces. If only I could make my illusions into shock troops..

[Iituem]

Been toying with whether to make the phantom warriors shock troops, honestly.  Given how easy they are to replace and all.

Or the eventual overhaul of the combat system to allow you to pick which troops are shock troops.  Which will not be for a long while yet, so nobody start clamouring for it.  Doing that actually will require a code overhaul, and I don't have the time this month.

[Terenos]

Their ease of replacement -does- suggest shock troop potential. I could make an argument for it. In the end tis up to you though.
But that may end up making them far too powerful, thus necessitating a slight modification to att/def value.

At the least, I'd like it just so I'd stop losing my light swordsmen.

[Iituem]

Hmm.  Alright, I'll Shock them.  It's added to balance changes for the next turn.  Remember that this means they will rush first against enemy units who may well have advantages over them, rather than letting more suited units take their place.  There's the tradeoff.

[Terenos]

I may regret this.

[Dwarmin]

-RP-

Travel Advisory for the Lands of Highblood
Issued by the Green Blood Union

Hail travellers! Those passing should know our border with the steel empire has become increasingly strained as refugees flee the hostility that is breaking out there between them and the Island of Tempests. The shores are increasingly hazardous, with many armed warships making exploratory raids and naval skirmishes, and the border guards of both nations are more watchful. Reports of magical dancing hobs of fire leading Man and Gnoll into the sea have been reported by some merchant captains, so caution is requested.

[Iituem]

Off for the evening, but before I go another consideration for a mechanics change.

Separating Flight into true Flight and Buzzers/Gliders.  The former gets to cross all terrains in overland flight etc, but the latter still acts as a ground unit for movement and crossing oceans etc.  The latter unit still gets the bonuses of flight in battle, though (bonus to hit melee units, or melee immunity if ranged as well).

If this goes in, Fireflies will get a change so they become Buzzers.  Their attack/defense will drop slightly, but be countered by the bonus to attacking melee units (against which they will have a slight bonus).  They will become weaker against ranged units and (possibly) spells as a result, however.