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[Sutremaine]

Right now, pain is all or nothing, moderated by the willpower attribute (which also controls resistance to exertion). Given how much of a combat boost creatures get when they stop passing out once injured sufficiently, there should be more control over how much pain something can feel. For this to work properly, units in the pain scale need to be smaller. Dividing each current unit into 10 should be enough. No tag would indicate [FEELS_PAIN:100], which would use the values given in the tissue template

Same for bleeding, that works the same way at the moment.

[Girlinhat]

Can it be negative?

[Neonivek]

Can it be negative?

I don't think there is such a thing as "Anti-pain"

I mean I know people often put pleasure on the other side of pain but they arn't really the same entity.

Anyhow Feels pain as a percent works for me. A lot of creatures, such as dinosaurs, feel pain but have it rather diminished. Several animals I can think of can easily continue on with broken limbs without any duress.

[Girlinhat]

What, you have something against masochists?  We all know that all DF players are masochists at heart.

[Neonivek]

What, you have something against masochists?  We all know that all DF players are masochists at heart.

Masochists feel pain as far as I am aware. They just derive pleasure from a certain amount of it under certain conditions.

[Girlinhat]

Correct, but this thread seems focused on the creature's reaction to pain, not the actual pain itself.  Since pain causes a creature to fall and stop fighting, then a negative pain rating should send the creature into a berzerk rage when taking injuries.

[Neonivek]

Correct, but this thread seems focused on the creature's reaction to pain, not the actual pain itself.  Since pain causes a creature to fall and stop fighting, then a negative pain rating should send the creature into a berzerk rage when taking injuries.

Or it could just cause the creature to babble incoherantly.

[orbcontrolled]

Correct, but this thread seems focused on the creature's reaction to pain, not the actual pain itself.  Since pain causes a creature to fall and stop fighting, then a negative pain rating should send the creature into a berzerk rage when taking injuries.

But we shouldn't achieve that by allowing negative pain, we should do it by defining the reaction to pain separately from a creature's resistance to pain.

[dwarf_sadist]

What, you have something against masochists?  We all know that all DF players are masochists at heart.

Really? Given how most people manage their nobles and population, I would of thought they're sadists.

[!!crundle!!]

What, you have something against masochists?  We all know that all DF players are masochists at heart.

Really? Given how most people manage their nobles and population, I would of thought they're sadists.

Can't you be a masochistic sadist?

[Girlinhat]

You can be both, but that's aside the point.

As proof that we're all masochists: Losing is Fun.

[Neonivek]

You can be both, but that's aside the point.

As proof that we're all masochists: Losing is Fun.

Well everyone has masochistic tendencies but that is because of how out biology handles pain.

That is besides the point the point is

DEAL WITH "Pleasure from Pain" and "Buffs from Pain" as a SEPERATE Entity. Not as a negative pain as that doesn't make sense.

Even then a Masochist wouldn't actually find being stabbed or slashed from assault to be pleasurable anyhow so a negative pain modifier to represent that wouldn't make sense either. This isn't freeky Valkyria Chronicles where masochists not only like being shot but it actually improves their performance.

[Girlinhat]

"YES SHOOT MY I LOVE IT!"

That being said, why not?  I'd like some dastardly creatures of the deep that get stronger the longer you fight.  It wouldn't fit for most vanilla creatures, but might work for some semi-megabeasts, like minotaurs who might need a buff to their smaller size, and dangerous beasts.  There's also only one vanilla creature with verminhunter and the various related tags, but we still have verminhunter tag and have it available for modding.

[Neonivek]

That being said, why not?

Well I could go in depth but for the most part I'll just sum it up as psychology.

Still as I said it needs to be seperated from the pain tag not a part of it. Especially since as I said "Negative pain makes no sense" since in essence the creature isn't feeling pain they are feeling anti-pain.

So if you were playing the demon the tags you would see is: Bleeding, wounded, ANTI-PAIN!

Also I just realised something

WE ARE CREATING GAME PHYSICS!!!

The monster that gets stronger right before dying? Videogame Cliche

[3]

I don't think there needs to be a new raw token for this. Just multiply the scale of the PAIN_RECEPTOR values (as you suggest) by 10 or 100 or something, then modify them on a creature-by-creature basis.