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[Orangebottle]

Spoiler: Anger arc (click to show/hide)

While admittedly I am genuinely curious as to why he's using so much caps, the real reason I'm asking him this question is not to see his reasoning, but to make him angrier. The more furious he is, the more scumtells he will have.

On day one, you stated your scumhunting method was pissing people off. That's great, except when I'm pissed I tend to type before thinking and might say things that could seem like implied scumminess.

One:Really, you're more scummy when you're angry? I wasn't under the impression that you've ever played a game before Orange, judging by your posts in the mafia forum. You may wanna revise that lie. 

Lie? If you'd ever been on #mafia you'd know that I've played a few games of IRC mafia. Secondly, I could still get that result without having played any games whatsoever.

Two: It's testing a reaction. In case you haven't noticed, Jim said himself that

Testing reactions is a perfectly legitimate way to scum hunt.

It's been done, I did it there, and it's not scummy.

Then why did you attack Jim for it? His role in this was twofold: to teach us and to lynch scum.

Lol, no, I'm not admitting to WIFOM, I'm just pissing Breadbocks off because he hates obscure Tv Tropes links.

So you're pissing him off for no reason. You weren't even hunting him at that point.

But I was hunting. I read over Bread's past posts before the game started and intended to use a trope from the beginning. I knew that it would have some effect, but it seems that it turned into something else instead.

You mean the part where you didn't actively hunt Bread after that and instead went to MS?

Easy answer, an angry scum gives scumtells more often. It can be used as nothing but protown scumhunting, mostly because of all the RAEGVOTES (so very similar to your vote) that it causes.

So pissing people off obviously makes you town then.

By the same card orange, I also fail to see how it makes me scum.

As an SE, I'm entitled to say getting people pissed so they drop scumtells is a bad idea, because anyone can say dumbass things when annoyed.

And that's when you look for scum tells, a town gets angry, a scum will fall back on progressively classic strategies to defend himself.

More of your scumhunting logic. Honestly I could argue against your argument that defends your strategy from breadbocks, but it'd just be [spoiler=wifom.]Unless the scum is actually doing their job and feigning being an angry town just to mislead you.

Ok.

And here are a few gems from Jim Groovester. 

About making people mad: deliberately making people mad as a scumhunting strategy I generally don't think is very effective, because all you'll succeed in doing is making them mad and whatever scum tells you think you get will probably be junk.But you do want to keep people off balance by asking them tough, probing questions, and it's not uncommon to use hostility to get what you want. You'll see it range from a little to a whole lot.

As a means to an end, getting people angry to get answers out of them isn't such a bad idea, but it should never be a goal unto itself. Keep the game friendly, even when you're screaming profanities at each other.

Read the re-bolded quote. Admittedly yes, in retrospect it was a dick move for me to use Tv Tropes, but your little gem from Jim said it was not scummy. You may want to try going over posts before you skin them for ammunition.

What's next? Oh yes, the WIFOM arc, Jim must be rolling in his grave.

Spoiler: WIFOM Arc (click to show/hide)

Have ever heard of wifoyifom before? probably not, It's quite a long abbreviation, it roughly translates to "Wine in front of you in front of me." It's quite the magic little phrase.

And by god you are using wifoyifom to it's fullest, seeing as you're trying to induce the rest of the town to lynch me.

WIFOYIFOM

Dude, just never say this again. WIFOM is the blanket term that people understand. Going deeper into WIFOM is still WIFOM.

Notice the misinforming. Y'know Heli, I searched for wifoyifom on the forum. Know what I found? Jim Groovester's post. Alone. Google it? I get a few hits. This just screams "Not-newb scum trying to confuse semi-newb town with extremely uncommon terms." It's the scum's job to guide the town into a mislynch so they can get more kills.

Orange, you do realize that this is the first time I've ever played a mafia game, right? The first. The person I was talking to had more experience then me, and even understood what it meant. I don't know where you got that I was trying to confuse him either, especially since I explained the entire damn meaning of it in my post.

You're confusing him by using and defining a term that has never, ever been used here, and the only way you could've known about it is if you'd played/read a mafia game on another board.

Ok, now that that's done, time for the Day 2 Arc. Wow, this is a hefty one.

Spoiler: Day 2 Arc (click to show/hide)

If you want names, I'd say Jim, and Webadict, because it makes us depend on them more, and thus subconsciously more trusting. 

Jim, there is a difference between pissing someone off to see if they drop scumtells and pissing someone off in order to engineer your own. Vote Jim Groovester.

Want to know what I see here? It isn't town. It's using the exact same voting pattern as a confirmed scum. Of course, you had much more to say, but the vote was the same.

 
The fact that I had more to say makes all the difference Orange. I had actual guns to bring to the table with reasonable evidence, unlike Bread and Eggs.
I'll give you this one. Some of my arguments aren't complete or just make no sense because i typed this up in four hours(1 AM to 5 AM).

Heliman, list every player, in order of scumminess (in your eyes), with the scummiest at the top.

Hmmm, Scumminess?

major_sephiroth (perceived scumtell, still pursuing)
Bdthemag (Lurking with no reason, while being active elsewhere)
The King of Eggs (3 day vacation, incredibly suspicious manner of posting)
Breadbocks (seems to be coming on a little bandwagony with seph, but could easily be considered as normal scum hunting.)
Jim Groovester (still wary, but there's nothing that I could scream at.)
Supercharazard<-->Toaster<-->CrownofFire (equal level of suspicion, because you're all playing similarly so far: shorter sized posts, usually questioning an individual person and/or answering a question asked by someone else.)

The ICs would probably be higher in this list, but that would be because of my fear of their skill rather than me thinking they're scummy.

Hrrmmm. Which group is almost gone? Oh right the ICs. [/quote]
(removed the massive text because it was annoying.) Again, WIFOM.

Hm. I need to stop forgetting IC advice at 2:00 AM. Another to you.

However, your scumlist also produces the reverse of that wifom, with the ICs at the bottom.

I don't have to be gentle to teach you. You're a bright group; you can handle a little abuse. Better get used to it, because what I'm doing is pretty tame.

Well isn't that just be fine and dandy. It all makes sense now, if it weren't for the fact that you weren't doing any real teaching by provoking breadbocks.

Testing reactions is a perfectly legitimate way to scum hunt. Although that's not explicitly what I was doing. I just wanted him to hurry up and fucking do something. As my patience wears thin I get more and more abrasive and my patience was pretty worn down after waiting three days for his mute to expire, and even the runaround he was giving me before that point.

 
Patience is key in this game. You know this. You know that he'd eventually make a post either making a proper argument or dismissing his argument altogether, and if he stopped posting you could just as easily call for him to be lynched for lurking like scum. For some reason though, you were impatient. Why is that Jim? If you're worried about others thinking that you're not doing enough scum hunting then you are scum.

But the reaction I got to it was pretty damn telling.

I don't care. I'm not here to defend breadbocks, his indecision, or his aggressive tendencies.

WAIT. 
STOP, RIGHT HERE.
In attacking Jim, that's exactly what you were doing and go on to do.

Ah ha ha, no, lets take a look at your reasons and see why.

 In your response to the first JG quote, you're telling him to back off breadbocks.

That was not the point of my first quote. I said it to make a clear distinction between his scum hunting and his teaching, because the teaching role came with a sizable pathos argument that made scumhunting Jim next to impossible.

Except that it also comes off as you telling Jim to back off without actually saying it. You're telling him to do his job as IC instead of hunting breadbocks. He is teaching breadbocks to defend himself by hunting him.

 In the second, you're accusing him of being scum to distract everybody else(which failed), 

WIFOM, moving on.

and in the third, you distance yourself from him because he's being painfully obvious.

Incorrect, If it wasn't painfully obvious, I was preventing Jim from creating a red herring which OH WAIT, WAS ALREADY MENTIONED IN ONE OF YOUR LOWER QUOTES OF ME. FANCY THAT.

Again, this one to you. Now if only I had looked up the term 'red herring' before I'd used this argument.

Let's continue, eh?

You don't have a problem with me trying to get him to post sooner than he would have liked, do you? I'd rather put him on the spot and see what he has to say because that's going to be a much more honest reaction than waiting for him to prepare and make shit up.

 
Yeah I do have a problem with this Jim, because this is different than pressing an accusation. I have recently realized that the last fucking thing in the world a townie should do is press another player to submit an offensive argument hastily. Arguments must be made with the intent to persuade the other townies who read it. Always. Town is not going to listen to an argument that is half-assed, and done without proper deliberation. Trying to push breadbocks into delivering an argument isn't going to make him more honest, it's only going to make him look more unbelievable. Which is exactly what you want.

Isn't that exactly what you're doing when you make a player angry on purpose? You're trying to get them to drop scumtells  in a hastily written post.

 
Don't be an idiot. I made a clear distinction between the two in the very first sentence of my quote. If you still have eyeballs you may want to look at it again.

I did. It actually leads to WIFOM, because pushing someone to respond quicker leads to scum having less time to make up lies and town having less time to actually make up a case in defense of itself. In either case, you are correct again.

and tell me what you think of breadbocks. Because you seem to be saying that he's some sort of panicky noob, and let me tell you, he doesn't meet the criteria. Panicky noobs panic, and if he's careful enough to ditch the game as soon as the heat turns up on him (he's avoiding this game despite posting elsewhere on the forum) then his fragile emotional state is not something I have to worry about.

Wrong adjective. Not panicky, aggressive. Easily riled and dogged in his pursuit, and too prideful to give up the when he has no leg to stand on. It's amiable, but not good scum hunting. It's also not a red herring I'm going to be distracted from.

What happened to

I'm not here to defend breadbocks, his indecision, or his aggressive tendencies.

, hmm?

Absolutely nothing. I said aggressive, whereas Jim said that I thought him panicky. This quote made a distinction between the two.

Urgh. I need to work on my late-night reading skills.

I'm Scumhunting too, by making bullshit accusations that do absolutely no in depth analysis of my target's posts! I think I can make Jim look guilty by listing all of his posts in order and telling you all what I think of them from a general standpoint!

*Headdesk*
*Headdesk*
*Headdesk*

Breadbocks you are doing the worst scumhunting I've seen so far. This is just... total bullshit in every way ever, I could barely finish reading all of it. A town wouldn't be so desperate to hunt like this.
Unvote
vote Breadbocks.

Notice how Heliman easily slips into an oncoming bandwagon when it seems like his arguments seem to be doing nothing at all. Also notice how his last few posts were still attacking Jim/defending Breadbocks.

Breadbocks you are doing the worst scumhunting I've seen so far. This is just... total bullshit in every way ever, I could barely finish reading all of it. A town wouldn't be so desperate to hunt like this.
Unvote
vote Breadbocks.

This looks like a bus. Funny how you bailed off the Jim Groovester train as soon as it lost steam.

Funny, because I don't remember ever supporting breadbocks, or bailing off you. Breadbocks scummier than you are, even when accounting for the difference in experience.

More distancing yourself from obvious scum after chainsaw defending him.

Ok, onto this last bit. You realize I have already said why I haven't been concentrating on breadbocks, right? Here, lemme post it.

from what I've seen, as far as the Players at large are concerned, Bread still has no argument. In fact, if he actually had any relatively legitimate accusations towards me, I myself would have already beaten them down. I haven't, mostly because with every accusation so far he seems to dig himself into a grave. I know that if he's town may be a bad call by me, but either way he should learn to keep the rest of the players in mind when he hunts. Keep in mind that pride is a weakness, breadbocks!

I never distanced myself from breadbocks, I just let nature take it's course.

Sigh. I fail again.
Wait. No I don't. You ignored something.

*Headdesk*
*Headdesk*
*Headdesk*

Breadbocks you are doing the worst scumhunting I've seen so far. This is just... total bullshit in every way ever, I could barely finish reading all of it. A town wouldn't be so desperate to hunt like this.
Unvote
vote Breadbocks.

Notice how Heliman easily slips into an oncoming bandwagon when it seems like his arguments seem to be doing nothing at all. Also notice how his last few posts were still attacking Jim/defending Breadbocks.

You didn't even say it was stupid, you blatantly ignored it.

I guess that leaves the Day 3 Arc then.

Spoiler: Day Three Arc (click to show/hide)

I'm quite interested on what comes up, both on what my scumbuddy puts up as false scumhunting, and what others thing of my scumbuddy...

Ok I'm pretty sure YOU'RE not allowed to post.

What, does he sound like he's about to expose you as scum?

WIFOM again! hooray!

The King of Eggs: His Scumhunting pattern seems to mimic the NKs in that they both seem to be solely concentrated on the ICs. TKoE went for Jim's throat yesterday with absolutely no argument, and did the same for Web by FoSing him for calling him arrogant. The entire basis of his posts seem to be made with the intent of wanting us to ignore the ICs. I'm all for having a good rough and tumble with the senior players, but trying to discredit them is a major problem. This, plus the scared defense at the beginning and the eye raking, player leaving Omega-lurk you put us through when you were on your unexplained vacation, lead me to believe he's scum. Is there any reason why you've been so eager to attack and deface the ICs?

Let's break this down into bits and pieces.

lol K, this is gonna be good.

His Scumhunting pattern seems to mimic the NKs in that they both seem to be solely concentrated on the ICs.

And you went nowhere near Jim at all, eh? You're obviously less scummy for only going after one IC. :V

The entire basis of his posts seem to be made with the intent of wanting us to ignore the ICs. I'm all for having a good rough and tumble with the senior players, but trying to discredit them is a major problem.

So, again, exactly what you were doing when you attacked Jim in defense of Breadbocks?

Are you blind? Again, I never tried to deface Jim's teaching (especially not by acting like a facetious child), I only wanted to separate his scum hunting from his teaching to avoid a pathos argument again.
The pathos argument shouldn't even be coming up, because when he did anything he was teaching us. It may not be directly and clearly stated, but he was teaching us.

the eye raking, player leaving Omega-lurk you put us through when you were on your unexplained vacation, lead me to believe he's scum.

Maybe he wanted to actually relax on his vacation instead of stressing out about how he sounds over the internet. Would you go on a vacation and still be playing this?

You bet your ass I would, I love this! When I say I await someone's argument against me, I mean it. it's exhilarating to argue with people like this, I can't get enough of it. That's besides the point, though, Lord is all up in arms against me arguing the validity of him leaving, So please, feel free to engage in your WIFOM elsewhere.
*facepalms for not noticing wifom while compiling a large post.*

Jim, you do something or something. Tell them what to do. I didn't want to be an IC.

Webadict: You weren't afraid to give information before you were playing, what's the difference between giving advice then and giving it now?

...Ow. Ow. OW.
Why do you keep contradicting yourself. Stop it. It makes my head hurt.

I fail to see any contradiction.
Nevermind. It's stupid.

...Bookras? No, no that's fucking impossible.

Care to explain? The useless part applies from here on, by the way.

Bookras= The player named Book/Zathras(he ditched the second name for the first.) He has left recently in a huff.

Grr that's still not doing any scumhunting grr.

Grr neither is reminding other players to scumhunt and not trying anything yourself grr. Grr activelurk initiate grr.

Grr If it wasn't obvious I was and still am scum hunting hunting egg and subsequently Sim, you blind fool Hurr.
Except for the fact that the ICs told me not to scumhunt people based off of who they replaced, so why the hell were you scumhunting Egg after he asked for a replacement? Also, insulting me is what provoked this in the first place.

To be honest, in would've gone after that OrangeBottle guy for lurking were I you.

I focused on egg because he looked scummier(because, in case you haven't noticed, he had been acting weird the whole game.)
Acting weird based on...? A search on the forums leads to no prior history of him playing.

How about this. For the others that are actually not either dead, absent(crown) or lurking (Egg), post what they think of the everyone that's alive right now. I mean an ordered list, with a description of every player. Come on motherfuckers, it's arts and crafts time down at the BM daycare, speak up!

Odd, usually you're just a little more detailed when you vote for someone. This is not your usual post, Heliman.

Odd, because I ALREADY HAD A VOTE CAST ON HIM BEFORE I MADE THAT POST AND I'D LINK FOR THE SECOND TIME BUT IT SEEMS YOU'VE ALREADY QUOTED COMMENTED ON IT YOURSELF.

*facepalm* I apologize.

You didn't answer my question EGG, I even bolded it for you.

Hrmm, now why would that be? Would it have anything to do with him requesting a replacement? No, that's totally obscene what am I thinking.

Lets start with the obvious:
Even a bunch of 5 year old kids could see that I am not dumb enough to rip into someone then NK them :/
Scum are trying to get an easy lynch (me) by killing the people I obviously don't like. Come on guys really?

It's WIFOM, you know it is, the kill wasn't strategic N1 and followed form N2, I "ripped" on Jim too you know, but I wasn't a bitch about it.

STILL pointlessly attacking the replaced to look like you're doing something.

Breadbocks' flip surprised me actually, I do not currently have the time to go through his interactions, but as jim says (never thought I'd say that) look at people breadbocks hadn't attacked, or more likely weakly attacked.

All of Breadbock's attacks were weak, though I seem to remember a very certain attack D1 on a very certain lurker.

*Yaaawwwwnnn*....Oh? Heliman's still attacking the replaced? He's completely useful here!

Again I apologize for my Inactivity, My so-called 'vacation' was an emergency trip to hospital, I have yet to recover and have little enough periods of lucidity to live, let alone enough to post a well thought out argument.  (sorry for the sop story, witch this rightfully is.)

Because OF COURSE you only tell people this when your are actually under fire, COULDN'T THINK OF A BETTER TIME IN FACT.

Maybe he only says this when he NEEDS A REPLACEMENT. Stop attacking the replaced to activelurk and get back on your scumhunting train. 

Breadbocks' flip surprised me actually, I do not currently have the time to go through his interactions, but as jim says (never thought I'd say that) look at people breadbocks hadn't attacked, or more likely weakly attacked.

Blah, blah, I had no idea my scum partner was scum! Blah, blah, repeating the IC.

Also, if you're so sure he's scum, why haven't you voted him yet?

Hrm. Maybe because HE'S BEING REPLACED. I thought you could read Heliman.

Ok, I never knew it was possible to easily counter so many quotes with a single sentence. Here it goes: Egg said himself that he would try to post until a replacement was found and I made arguments expecting him to do so. BA BAM.
Durf de hurf read moar OrangeBottle. You win this quote again, Heli.

Hello new person, I'm sorry that you may not be around here for long. Have you read the thread yet?

Hrmmm. There's a word for this kind of post. Useless.

Wait, what? You aren't even trying to piss people off to make them drop scumtells anymo- ohthat'srightitmakesyoulooklikeamassivehypocritenow.

At this point, I'm not exactly surprised that you didn't catch the subtle pressuring I gave him here.
Jim did the same to me(with more questions) and got basically nothing. So yes, useless.

Ah! Today is finally getting interesting! 
I have to disagree Simmy. The way I see it, I'm the one who has been scumhunting the most today, what with my pursuit of Egg. Why would you you see it otherwise?

Except you can't scumhunt what was replaced. When i tried to say that wuba was scum because of supercharazad's actions, They(JG and WA) both told me to stop looking at super. So how was your "scumhunting"(read:total verbal assault with no point) contributing anything at all?

I sure as hell can try if he says he'll try responding before he leaves.
What. He was already replaced. He can't say any more.

(PFP)But wuba, that was the first thing I did today!

? Did I miss a post? I don't see one that would be listed.

(PFP)The one where I first voted egg?

Translation: The one where I voted someone for doing something I did, but worse?

I already covered this, stop contradicting yourself.
Where's the contradiction.

Simmura

Okay, first off, could an IC give a detailed explanation of WIFOM? I still don't fully understand it.

Woah Woah Woah, What? You used WIFOM as a reason for voting me without knowing what it does? Massive OMGUS'n is afoot here.

For once I agree. There's something wrong with that logic. Finally, you start doing something.

Oh stop it, you'll make me blush.

Secondly, Heli: I was basing that mostly off the current page. Not great, I know. Ah well.

Ok, now I don't follow because on the very same page I was hunting your predecessor, Egg. In fact, you even mentioned how I talked about WIFOM today, when that was the only post I mentioned it in, so you had to have seen it.

Brotip: pagelength can be changed in the User Control Panel.

Well you know what that's really funny because my pagelength settings are set to the default page length and you know what? It's still on the same page! And unless he's care to explain otherwise, there's no reason why he'd have the settings set to be anything less!
He could have any number of reasons.

Can I ask why you're so convinced that Heli's town, though?

Oh, read through the thread, the answer's in there somewhere.

Hey, I think I've mastered helispeak. Here's a nice translation for the rest of us: "There's no reason unless Wuba actually says why he believes i'm town!"

You should know very well that there's no such thing as scum buddies when there's only one scum left. That's practically scum masturbating.
W-
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*rereads post*
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Where did I EVER say or imply scumbuddies in that post? I was saying that there's no reason that you're confirmed as town unless wuba says what he can't possibly say without getting modkilled.

No you didn't, you ragged on Egg and said nothing on anyone else.

I beg to differ, although I did focus on egg in that post, it was only because I wanted to elaborate why I was voting him.

Which ended up being something to the point of,"He's me with no good evidence."

Seriously, If you're going to be stupid enough to ignore this earlier in your post, at least do yourself the favor of not mentioning this one so you merely look unintelligent instead of scumshit.
Another conquered quote for Heliman!

*looks winded from going through that much pointless crap*
Pointless, eh? Why'd you even respond to it then?

I do have to say that you're awfully defensive, Heliman. And Jim's post has a point, I just can't see any point beyond defending yourself. But unfortunately, you just haven't really given me any kind of a huge scum vibe this game. I just don't see enough reason to vote you over somebody like Simmura McCrea over there. TKoE wasn't that great, even excluding the so-called "lurking".And Heliman has at least pointed a few fingers, rare as they are. TKoE piggybacked on other arguments, and so far you just seem to be defending yourself, especially since you're not currently voting (*cough* LNCP *cough*).

I'm not Super. Any suspicion from Toaster due to Super is about as meaningful to me as someone out for revenge on me for my ancestor. It means nothing to me, because I didn't do it.

I'm really tired of people ignoring that.

It was more directed at Orangebottle for starting the wall of text than it was at you for responding to it.

Er. Sorry. I probably should've refined the wall a lot more. Would've made it much smaller. But now that it's begun, I'm not going to just drop it.

[Jim Groovester]

Refine it anyway. I'm not going to take the effort to read it but I'm pretty sure you're wasting both your and Heliman's time. Instead of asking him about eeeveeeryyythiiing, ask him the the questions that will really show him to be scum.

What's the core of your attack? What are the few central points that your whole attack rests on?

That's what your post should be.

[Simmura McCrea]

Crown, could you let me know why I'm scummy? I admit, I kinda suck at explaining my thoughts, but I was hoping some mafia would help with that. I suppose it's too early to make much of a difference so far. Please recall, even if Egg was scummier than pond scum, it doesn't make me scum. I'd comment on the whole OB/Heli argument there, but... fuck that. I'm struggling to follow the first WoT, never mind the third.

[Simmura McCrea]

Actually, vote CrownofFire. No, not as OMGUS, there's an argument here. Now we see if I can make it understandable.

Day 1, you asked a few questions of people, answered questions of you, all that. Seems to be fairly normal RVS, from what I can tell. You pick at Egg's posts, namely his caps-locked post, but I have a good suspicion Egg was actually town. After that, you answered some questions, responded to some comments, asked Toaster a question. But you didn't scumhunt. In fact, you barely posted, especially next to the whole Heli/bread clusterfuck going on in there. Late Day 1, that's not so bad seeing as you weren't really there much. Day 2, you posted twice. Once to say you'd been sightseeing and would be reading through the posts made while you were gone (nothing ever came of that) and once to vote bread as it became increasingly obvious he was next up. A quick bus to give yourself some credibility, perhaps? Day 3, you've voted me for Egg's scumminess, as far as I can see, and that's it. No scumhunting. Just contentless posts.

[Orangebottle]

Refine it anyway. I'm not going to take the effort to read it but I'm pretty sure you're wasting both your and Heliman's time. Instead of asking him about eeeveeeryyythiiing, ask him the the questions that will really show him to be scum.

What's the core of your attack? What are the few central points that your whole attack rests on?

That's what your post should be.

Urgh...no...this is just too much work. You're right. I'm just going to drop the wall of text stuff unless Heli pisses me off again. Unvote Heliman
I'm interested in how CrownofFire responds to Simmura's points, though.


I'm going to be gone for most of tomorrow. I have a flight, some spring break to get to. I'll try to be semi-active during the break, but I have some work to make up, and more importantly an ISP to work on, so I dunno.

[Jim Groovester]

ARGH

Did I tell you to drop your attack?

NO

I DID NOT

I told you to make it clear and concise. Where did you get the idea I wanted you to drop your attack?

FROM THIN AIR PROBABLY

[Toaster]

You should never drop an attack on someone before they reply unless you realize it's based on a misconception, misunderstanding, or you realize it makes no sense.  "Too much work" is a horrible excuse.  Cut out the weak bits and focus on the strengths.  Focus it into a handful of points for response.

[ECrownofFire]

Actually, vote CrownofFire. No, not as OMGUS, there's an argument here. Now we see if I can make it understandable.

Day 1, you asked a few questions of people, answered questions of you, all that. Seems to be fairly normal RVS, from what I can tell. You pick at Egg's posts, namely his caps-locked post, but I have a good suspicion Egg was actually town. After that, you answered some questions, responded to some comments, asked Toaster a question. But you didn't scumhunt. In fact, you barely posted, especially next to the whole Heli/bread clusterfuck going on in there. Late Day 1, that's not so bad seeing as you weren't really there much. Day 2, you posted twice. Once to say you'd been sightseeing and would be reading through the posts made while you were gone (nothing ever came of that) and once to vote bread as it became increasingly obvious he was next up. A quick bus to give yourself some credibility, perhaps? Day 3, you've voted me for Egg's scumminess, as far as I can see, and that's it. No scumhunting. Just contentless posts.

I haven't really been able to post much because of this last minute trip thing that I'm practically still in the middle of. This whole trip practically began in day 1, if I'm remembering correctly. But anyway, this is all excuses. I know I haven't been active enough, and I've tried to, but I tend to play more reactionary, which doesn't really work if there's no action to have a reaction to. This post is the perfect example of exactly what is needed for me to react to. A nice, small, simple, and straight-to-the-point block of text. Nothing like those walls up there. You can't easily respond to a wall (and it looks weird to talk to a wall, hehe). Back to the main point, I like to play reactionary. I still take action, but I have to see what everyone's doing first. Usually means I don't end up pinpointing scum until later on, but it all turns out fine.

Anyway, the largest reason I voted you is because you've been sitting over there not voting anyone and not chasing anyone. Much larger than the second, really. The second reason is because of TKoE. You might be a different person, but if he was scum, then you're scum, right?

[Simmura McCrea]

So you're voting for me for the reason I'm voting for you: Little to no scumhunting. You've been playing this for nearly a month, compared to my 2 days, and we've done fairly similar amounts of scumhunting. The difference between us being that I'm terrible at putting thoughts into words so I tend to avoid posting (a habit I'm trying to break by playing mafia), and you're just trying to hide that you're scum.

As for Egg, I'm pretty sure at least one IC has said something along the lines of "don't vote for a replacement based on the scumminess of the person they're replacing". And to be honest, I thought Egg was scum before I replaced him.

[webadict]

If this is what clears heliman, just come out and say it Webadict. If you can't, then I'll keep with my vote on him.

I can't, but you can trust me since there is no reason NOT to trust me. Either I'm town and my opinion is valid, or I'm scum and Heliman has to be Town.

Your case has some good points, but there are plenty of pointless points that were unnecessary. WIFOYIFOM? How do you figure that he's attempting to misinform the Town with something like that? A stretch.

I do have to say that you're awfully defensive, Heliman. And Jim's post has a point, I just can't see any point beyond defending yourself. But unfortunately, you just haven't really given me any kind of a huge scum vibe this game. I just don't see enough reason to vote you over somebody like Simmura McCrea over there. TKoE wasn't that great, even excluding the so-called "lurking". And Heliman has at least pointed a few fingers, rare as they are. TKoE piggybacked on other arguments, and so far you just seem to be defending yourself, especially since you're not currently voting (*cough* LNCP *cough*).


Also, LNCP: Simmura currently is not voting as seen in this post. Fix it please.

If you're going to claim piggybacking, you might want to point some fingers at yourself for stealing the piggybacking argument, especially if you're claiming lurking as well.

So you're voting for me for the reason I'm voting for you: Little to no scumhunting. You've been playing this for nearly a month, compared to my 2 days, and we've done fairly similar amounts of scumhunting. The difference between us being that I'm terrible at putting thoughts into words so I tend to avoid posting (a habit I'm trying to break by playing mafia), and you're just trying to hide that you're scum.

As for Egg, I'm pretty sure at least one IC has said something along the lines of "don't vote for a replacement based on the scumminess of the person they're replacing". And to be honest, I thought Egg was scum before I replaced him.

I agree with a fair majority of this post, but you can't say not to look at the replacement. What we should be doing is basing more of our reasoning on your doings, and less on King's.

You can't really hinge a majority of your defense on "an IC said it." Scumhunting is really your only chance to defend against King's actions.

I know this is a short post, but I'm falling too far behind.

[Jim Groovester]

As for Egg, I'm pretty sure at least one IC has said something along the lines of "don't vote for a replacement based on the scumminess of the person they're replacing". And to be honest, I thought Egg was scum before I replaced him.

Who and when?

Unfortunately that's not the case. You still have to carry the baggage that comes with the player you're replacing. Other players can't expect that you'll be able to answer for what the player you're replacing did, however. You can only answer for what you've done.

[Orangebottle]

ARGH

Did I tell you to drop your attack?

NO

I DID NOT

I told you to make it clear and concise. Where did you get the idea I wanted you to drop your attack?

FROM THIN AIR PROBABLY

I got the idea because the post itself was thin air. I can't see any logic that could lead to Heliman being scum. Honestly, this is why pissing people off is an ineffective way to scumhunt. It just ends up wasting everyone's time.

You should never drop an attack on someone before they reply unless you realize it's based on a misconception, misunderstanding, or you realize it makes no sense.  "Too much work" is a horrible excuse.  Cut out the weak bits and focus on the strengths.  Focus it into a handful of points for response.

It is all weak bits. I cut out the post because fuck my logic sucks.

Your case has some good points, but there are plenty of pointless points that were unnecessary. WIFOYIFOM? How do you figure that he's attempting to misinform the Town with something like that? A stretch.

Uh. Wuba. Please, tell me what good points I have. At this point there isn't a single fucking argument I can see in it.

[Orangebottle]

I'm not going to bother with a wall this time. A paragraph should suffice.

I have to say this is vaguely amusing watching you chase each other in circles.

This quote feels extremely scummy to me. It's the exact same thought I have when I play scum in IRC mafia. I don't care if it's from day 1, this is just too off. This, along with the active lurkiness, blatant bandwagoning, and hypocritical voting logic are just damning.

Vote CrownofFire

[lordnincompoop]

The day has taken an interesting turn, and the quiet CrownofFire has been chosen in Heliman's stead. The sun's tip is all that remains over the dark sea, and the fire crackles maliciously as it waits for its next sacrifice.


Votecount:
Heliman - 0 -
webadict - 0 -
Orangebottle - 0 -
CrownofFire - 2 - Orangebottle, Simmura McCrea
Simmura McCrea - 3 - webadict, Heliman, CrownofFire

Not Voting - 0 -
No Lynch  - 0 -

Extend  - 0-
Shorten  - 0 -

In its current state, the day will end with a Simmura McCrea Lynch.


The Day ends Monday, 8PM GMT.

You need 2 to Extend and 3 to Shorten.

[ECrownofFire]

I have to say this is vaguely amusing watching you chase each other in circles.

This quote feels extremely scummy to me. It's the exact same thought I have when I play scum in IRC mafia. I don't care if it's from day 1, this is just too off. This, along with the active lurkiness, blatant bandwagoning, and hypocritical voting logic are just damning.

Vote CrownofFire

Okay, so I'm scummy because I didn't want to get involved in a circle of uselessness? All active lurking was pretty much gone after day 1 (RVS tends to make me active lurk, and my favored scum at that point wasn't there), what with me going on this trip and all (and replaced with forced "lurking"). Bandwagoning is where? If you're referring to Simmura there, then whatever. I don't get any scum vibes from anyone except Simmura. I can't entirely explain it, but TKoE was scummy, and now Simmura's scummy to me.

Now as far as hypocritical voting logic, that's pretty much unavoidable. Try as much as you like, but at some point you're going to have to do it. Just because it's hypocritical doesn't mean it's wrong. Not to mention that I'm being hypocritical of one thing (little scumhunting), while I'm voting Simmura for multiple things.

By the way, LNCP, Simmura McCrea. You missed my vote, fix it please.