Also Jim, look at my last post and this one for my attack on Heli. It's not the most sound one. Also also, I think he means the scum will reliably use WIFOM and other known and limited tactics, thus making them identifiable.
But you just said you don't have a case so why should I bother going back to reread it? And I did and I still don't have a clue what you were trying to get at.
I'll summarise. Heli called himself a Mind Game Ship and linked to TvTropes. The mind game ship is someone who plays mindgames and messes with everyones head, etc. I used that as the basis of my arguement - but he wasn't serious about it and was only trying to annoy breadbocks. I can't vote on nothing but 'he seems scummy'.
Supercharazad, asking lots of hypothetical questions are nice, but are you narrowing down your list of suspects any?
Yes. I'm going slowly down the list of people, and those with thr worst answers get more questions.
Okay.
But what about what's happened in the game so far? What do you think of that?
I think TKoE needs to learn that mafia requires some time put into it, and that Breadbock seems suspicious, I don't know why, there's just something... bothering about him.
TKoE is on an official leave of absence. While he was here he participated.
I'm going to use TKoE's Idea. Green text is my comments.
Ok, questions posed toward me look squared away, now it's time for hunting. Don't you back off just yet Seph, I'm not done with you yet.
I'm still going to watch you and call you up if I find a scumtell or a hole in logic.
Well. I'll say the little things first:
The last quote you have on me was supposed to get people to look at you and decide by themselves - if someone voted you for my reasons alone.
A question to the entire forum "to decide for themselves" after a good sized and very accusatory post can only be regarded as a call to form a bandwagon, don't try playing it off as something less severe, it is what it is.
It is what it is, yes. It was said poorly, thus is something pretty incriminating. I was saying what it was supposed to be - not what it was.
I'd FoS them, at the very least.
A player Bandwagoning is always, at the very least, slightly suspicious. Because of this, anyone who jumps on a bandwagon always adds their two cents, so in all liklihood you would have FoS'd no one.
You've slightly misunderstood. I wouldn't just look for people adding nothing, I'd look for people using arguements too similar to mine, that sort of thing.
Now - it seems I misinterpreted my main evidence post here Heliman. I still think you're scum, but there's no solid case.
Onto your mindgames thing. It's easy. I mean, I got you to vote for TKoE, didn't I? And just by using the word 'turning' in your earlier post, Bread seems to betray BD by pressuring him. That's the only one I can spot at the moment.
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PRE-POST EDIT: I feel I should elaborate on my mindgame. I thought TKoE was scum. Overreacting and whatnot - but I didn't want to vote him on that, as it'd be a blatant bandwagon. I knew I could convince someone to vote him with enough questions, and I happened to get Heli with my first one. So Heli, I wasn't as sheepish as you thought.
While I'm fully willing to asdf about your apparent mindgames later, this is still a load of scumshit. Why? You're making a serious contradiction by admitting this. Your statement just now proves that the question you asked earlier was a blatant lie made to bandwagon the most active townie.
If I was after a bandwagon, I would try to get more than one person. I had just asked him a bunch of questions, and he overreacted - that's all the evidence I had. I thought that it wasn't enough to warrant a vote. I thought that another person would be able to find more evidence, and have a stronger case than I could.
Bread, and everyone, really. I urge you to look at his response: It's another mindgame. Would a townie have a reason to play mindgames on everyone?
If you don't know why a townie would play a mindgame, Then there is no reason that you would make one in the first place. Any proper town never lies, especially when under heat. It's one thing to play to play covertly, but it's another thing to make a total lie about how you play. Only a scum, and according to Wuba an inexperienced scum at that, would ever have any reason to lie when scum-hunting. You are that scum.
For why, look a bit above. Also when I said that, it slipped my mind that I'd played a mindgame. The reasoning is above - if you don't like it, question it or vote more or something. Also, that line as poorly thought out as it was - one more 'mistake' in it shouldn't be too hard to believe.
The vote stays, and anyone else willing to comment on this fiasco is welcome.
I'm not going to challenge that vote - it's pretty damn sound. Also, yes, everyone, comment on these proceedings.
Onto people that aren't Heliman.
I posted in Bdthemag's RTD, to watch it and to get him in here. Until he gets back into this mafia,
Bdthemag.
Bread - I'll be eagerly waiting for those arguements.
Superchar - You've played mafia recently, you know what a scumtell is, I've dropped plenty. You having no evidence either means you're incapable of scumhunting or you're a liar. I'm heavily leaning towards the second. You can stop active lurking now and participate, m'kay?
Toaster - I'll mostly assume you've been busy, but can I get you to comment on these proceedings? (As a player, moreso than an IC)
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everyone - Heliman and I aren't the only players here. Pressure people. Form your own walls of text - conversation is good!
Ninja'd Edit:
Onto Bread:
Post 1: Yeah an RVS.
Post 2: He saw something suspicious and questioned it. Thoroughly. That deserves praise, not rolled eyeballs.
Post 3: The "U MAD?" has been explained. I put the idea in his head for that. It was also a pressuring vote, to see if he got angrier. He doesn't skip over Jim, look at the last section.
Post 4: The back and forth between him and Jim: His reason for the FoS gets taken out from under his feet - leaving him nowhere to go, hence "I don't know what to say." Also in there, he is not over-defending. He was questioned that many times, so he answered that many times.
Post 5: You're wrong. It's WIFOM. It's WIFOM out the wazoo, actually. I'm going to propose a scenario: Person A and Person B are questioning each other. Person C is scum. There's other town around. Person A then turns his attention to Person C. Person C ends up lynched. The scum COULD NK Person A - he's a good scumhunter. But they NK Person B. The remaining scum say "why wasn't Person A NK'd? He's the best scumhunter" and "Person A got Person B NK'd!". Person A calls them out as scum. The town has to decide whether the scum would simply bus an ally, (like the scum are claiming) or that thw scum has a plan, (that Person A is right). There's no evidence either way, and it's down to speculation.
Wow that was long.
Post 6: Ever think that Heli was suspicious of BD BEFORE he said as such? Also, his main scumpick goes MIA, so he has to start on a new person. You give him that person to start on - and he pressures.
Post 7: Caution is a scumtell. Recklessness is a town tell. This is not guaranteed however, as I'm always cautious, for example. Being cautious as to where your vote goes is scummy play. Hell, I'm trying to be more aggressive and I still don't vote everywhere.
Post 8: The "King" of mafia said it's unreliable. And IIRC, that he think's it's not the best method. He didn't say the method was horrible and never to use it. He wants you mad right? And he has it.
Post 9: You claim he is only using a list of scumtells - I daresay all his arguements against me aren't scumtells alone.
I don't think these are too strong.. I tried to read these as if bread was town, but they still aren't too strong.
I got ninja'd 3 times when typing this. Go me.
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