NEXT TIME: We put this breakdown to use.
AUGH it's just painful.
Soooooo painful.
You're doing every lame trick I've ever seen any scum do and it's just painful to watch.
When are you going to build a case? I don't give a flying fuck if you counted everybody's post page by page. You wasted all that effort when you could've put it into making a more substantial case.
AUGH it's just so obvious but I can't convince anybody because they're all a bunch of egoistic newbies who think they know what's what ARGH.
Jim, an IC has absolutely no business intentionally pissing off beginners ever. The only thing it serves to accomplish is making a player even less responsive to your advice, which, since you're actually trying to teach us newbies how to hunt effectively, doesn't help teach the player AT ALL.
I don't have to be gentle to teach you. You're a bright group; you can handle a little abuse. Better get used to it, because what I'm doing is pretty tame.
Well isn't that just be fine and dandy. It all makes sense now, if it weren't for the fact that you weren't doing any real teaching by provoking breadbocks.
Bullshit. I'm always teaching. If not directly then by example.
And hmmm, if I tell breadbocks he's scummy for dodging questions, I wonder what he should do in future questions? (Hint: Not dodge questions.) See? Teaching. That's what goes on in mafia games. People tell you what you're doing is scummy, you learn what to do in future games.
I don't want to hear any more criticism about my teaching while I'm in the fucking middle of doing it. You don't have an educated enough opinion of the game to actually give me legitimate criticism anyway. If you've got the same opinion after the game is over, bring it up and I'll be more than receptive. But right now, you'll just have to accept my heavy handed authority and do it gladly.
Got it, fucknuts? Nah, of course not. You already know everything there is to know, why without even completing your first game. Shit just comes naturally to some people. People like you. A year and a half's worth of experience of almost constant playing isn't worth shit when you've got talent like yours coursing through your veins.
Testing reactions is a perfectly legitimate way to scum hunt. Although that's not explicitly what I was doing. I just wanted him to hurry up and fucking do something. As my patience wears thin I get more and more abrasive and my patience was pretty worn down after waiting three days for his mute to expire, and even the runaround he was giving me before that point.
Patience is key in this game. You know this. You know that he'd eventually make a post either making a proper argument or dismissing his argument altogether, and if he stopped posting you could just as easily call for him to be lynched for lurking like scum. For some reason though, you were impatient. Why is that Jim? If you're worried about others thinking that you're not doing enough scum hunting then you are scum.
Yep, you're right. You've been playing mafia for the span of two weeks and you clearly know everything there is to know.
Are you really so dense that you can't see the merits of putting people into uncomfortable positions and seeing what they do? That should be obvious. I mean, I just explained it to you in the post you're quoting.
I wasn't going to wait for him to post, because
like I already explained, I suspected he was trying to dodge questions even before he got the mute. He hasn't really changed my mind at all about that.
But the reaction I got to it was pretty damn telling.
I don't care. I'm not here to defend breadbocks, his indecision, or his aggressive tendencies.
Why not? 'Cause you're
scumbuddies?????????
You don't have a problem with me trying to get him to post sooner than he would have liked, do you? I'd rather put him on the spot and see what he has to say because that's going to be a much more honest reaction than waiting for him to prepare and make shit up.
Yeah I do have a problem with this Jim, because this is different than pressing an accusation. I have recently realized that the last fucking thing in the world a townie should do is press another player to submit an offensive argument hastily. Arguments must be made with the intent to persuade the other townies who read it. Always. Town is not going to listen to an argument that is half-assed, and done without proper deliberation. Trying to push breadbocks into delivering an argument isn't going to make him more honest, it's only going to make him look more unbelievable. Which is exactly what you want.
Are you fucking kidding me.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Let the bastard stand on his own, Heliman. He doesn't need you to stride in here and attack the big bad IC for him. Why are you defending him? He's not your problem.
And you've got it all wrong. The problem isn't pressing people into making arguments hastily. If they're town they should offer up their arguments early and freely (something breadbocks hasn't done, you'll note). The problem is that breadbocks is incapable of making an argument, either because he's inexperienced, scum, both, or he just hasn't really tried. Giving breadbocks more time likely isn't going to improve his arguments because, in case you didn't notice, he was gone for three days while the game was active. Plenty of time to sit on your hands and think about the game, and what did he come back with? Not a damn thing.
You're not learning the right lesson from this. You shouldn't be learning any lesson, in actuality. The only thing you should be learning is about the player involved. If there were a general lesson here I would be pointing them out.
How about this: Ignore what I've done,
What? No. In fact, Hell no. There is no way in hell I'm going to ignore anything in this thread, it's bad for scumhunting.
I meant momentarily, genius. Did you really think I asked you to give me a free pass?
Separate my words from my name, and look at my arguments against breadbocks, and tell me what you see. That's what I asked you to do.
and tell me what you think of breadbocks. Because you seem to be saying that he's some sort of panicky noob, and let me tell you, he doesn't meet the criteria. Panicky noobs panic, and if he's careful enough to ditch the game as soon as the heat turns up on him (he's avoiding this game despite posting elsewhere on the forum) then his fragile emotional state is not something I have to worry about.
Wrong adjective. Not panicky, aggressive. Easily riled and dogged in his pursuit, and too prideful to give up the when he has no leg to stand on. It's amiable, but not good scum hunting. It's also not a red herring I'm going to be distracted from.
You are so incredibly clueless it's embarrassing.
If he has no leg to stand on, why is he pursuing at all, huh? Don't you think there might be a problem with that? Just a little teency problem? Anything? Anything at all?
There's nothing meritorious about holding onto a suspicion without evidence. That's objectively terrible play, and you shouldn't be rushing to his defense for it.
In this quote I'm listing lurkiness! I'm going somewhere with this guys!
Speaking of not ignoring posts, I'd like to be the first to say that I have no idea where the hell you are going with this.
Contributions like counting posts is a common scum tactic. While superficially they appear helpful, scum hide behind them so they don't have to do any scumhunting.
You'll notice that lack of scumhunting is something plaguing breadbocks.
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